Beautiful, colorful fruit! Whatever you are doing, keep doing it.:)

KARMA Pink F4
 

I started some F4 seeds of the pink, here is the progress.

First photo, a view of KARMA Dark Pink F3 (purple, no green shoulder, single trusses) on the left, and next to it is KARMA Pink F4, growing nicely, another is behind it, there's a third plant doing well too.

Next is a closeup of KPink F4 showing fruit set. Trusses are all 6-7 fruit.

Next is another KPink F4 showing same leafs and fruit set, and truss size.

Next a photo of KARMA GWR on the left, and next to it is the 3rd KPink F4, growing very quickly These are EARLY in DTM time. I didn't go back and calculate yet.

Last photo is showing even larger fruit and all flowers on truss set fruit, same number, 6-7 per truss.
I can't wait to taste them. So far, all 3 are identical, so we are at least close to stable, if not already there. I am going to let KAREN make the call on whether they are stable yet.

Oh wow they look great :) Nice and Big and EARLY plants (yahoo!!!) and it is fantastic to see the uniformity again. This one does seem to have decided to be pretty stable already. So long as that wow flavor comes through again we have a winner!
I have a feeling this will be the first of several really great new cherries from the KARMA project to be released and can`t wait to grow it again
:)
KarenO

I am eagerly awaiting them! I for one am always on the lookout for new cherries - especially productive, early, and tasty ones!

precious seeds arrived today! Thank you Marsha, I am so excited to grow them out. Beautiful perfect plump seeds all the way from Florida to Vancouver Island.
KarenO

It's so nice to see the two of you co-growing these out so that they can be stabilized so very quickly.
These varieties are coming along fast. Both of you Karen and Marsha are doing an outstanding job and having fun too.

[QUOTE=KarenO;624086]precious seeds arrived today! Thank you Marsha, I am so excited to grow them out. Beautiful perfect plump seeds all the way from Florida to Vancouver Island.
KarenO[/QUOTE]

Wood hoo so glad they Arrived! All are F4 for Karen. I have the pink F4 already with the fruit about 1/2 grown, so Karen will get F5 seeds sent in about every weeks. She will send me F6, I will grow them, and maybe, just maybe, I will release F7 seeds of KARMA Pink next January, in my seed offer. No promises, we must confirm stability.

I am just dying to know if the multiflora trait is passed on in the F4 purples.

[QUOTE=ginger2778;624136]I am just dying to know if the multiflora trait is passed on in the F4 purples.[/QUOTE]

Will know in about 10 weeks when they start to bloom :)
K

I can feel the excitement by just reading the posts. You ladies have a great partnership going, that is nice to see too.

[QUOTE=AKmark;624147]I can feel the excitement by just reading the posts. You ladies have a great partnership going, that is nice to see too.[/QUOTE]

Thanks :) It has been a rewarding experience working with my friend Marsha. We are both excited about these cherries Mark, I know we sound predjudiced but they really are that good :) I hope very much that folks will want to grow them.
Karen

[QUOTE=MissS;624110]It's so nice to see the two of you co-growing these out so that they can be stabilized so very quickly.
These varieties are coming along fast. Both of you Karen and Marsha are doing an outstanding job and having fun too.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for such nice comments. Having a southern-northern. Partnership has halved the time it would take on my own and doubled the fun. Takes trust and respect for each other's opinion and work and I value Marsha's contributions very much.
KarenO

[QUOTE=KarenO;624243]Thank you for such nice comments. Having a southern-northern. Partnership has halved the time it would take on my own and doubled the fun. Takes trust and respect for each other's opinion and work and I value Marsha's contributions very much.
KarenO[/QUOTE]

These are also my sentiments. But I will add that I think Karen is a breeding genius, and very intelligent otherwise, and it's so good to work with someone who has such high integrity. I value our friendship.

It is indeed inspiring to watch you two collaborate in such a positive way, and make it easy for the newbie gardeners to understand some of the complexities involved. All of this, while helping others on this and other forums to be better gardeners...wow, my hat's off to both of you- THANK YOU :)

Darin

I am hooked with your project. PL cherries!!!

[QUOTE=Spartanburg123;624259]It is indeed inspiring to watch you two collaborate in such a positive way, and make it easy for the newbie gardeners to understand some of the complexities involved. All of this, while helping others on this and other forums to be better gardeners...wow, my hat's off to both of you- THANK YOU :)

Darin[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=efisakov;624430]I am hooked with your project. PL cherries!!![/QUOTE]

You are both very kind. Thank you for your heart warming words.

Here we are, the first day of spring and the F4 karmas are planted.
All except the pink as I will wait for the F5 seed that Marsha is growing and almost ready :)
Happy day!
There will be 3 cherries and 3 large cherry/saladettes to grow this year.
Karma pink F5
Karma purple F4
Karma multiflora purple F4

Karma apricot F4
Karma GWR interior dark exterior, if comes true again needs a name Marsha :)
And one I kept back but will grow out is a tricolour F3 with oddly tiny seeds so will see if they germinate properly also will need a name if comes true again.
Here we go 2017
KarenO

I think 1-2 weeks we should have ripe F4s of the pink, yielding the F5 seeds. A lot of my vines are starting to wind down now, so I am extra excited to have 3 beautiful healthy F4 Pinks which are producing like crazy. I am so ready to taste them.

[QUOTE=KarenO;626609]Here we are, the first day of spring and the F4 karmas are planted.
All except the pink as I will wait for the F5 seed that Marsha is growing and almost ready :)
Happy day!
There will be 3 cherries and 3 large cherry/saladettes to grow this year.
Karma pink F5
Karma purple F4
Karma multiflora purple F4

Karma apricot F4
Karma blackF4
And one I kept back but will grow out is a tricolour F3 with oddly tiny seeds so will see if they germinate properly
Here we go 2017
KarenO[/QUOTE]

Yayy spring planting! :D That is an awesome list, you two are something else! ;) Good karma.... !! 8-)

KARMA Pink F4s plant #1, #2, #3 all ripening same size large pink cherries.
Karen, I might have seeds fermenting by Sunday. I want to give you some from all 3 plants.
The huge thick potato leaves, strong stems, and the perfect pink cherries, they are a thing of beauty. I hope they taste as incredible as the F3s did.:D

How wonderful! So happy to see them all so similar.
No reason to think they won't taste the same. Very excited to grow them. Their younger F4 siblings are all up and growing well so far.
Soon as you can get me seeds I will get them going too. Taste them first :)
KarenO

Here's the F4 babies up and at em. So happy to also have an F5 coming soon!
K

F4 Pink, and a surprise!
 

Here are the F4 fruit. Not stable after all.
F4-1 and 2 are basically the same and taste fabulous.
F4-3 isn't pink at all, it looks exactly like Captain Lucky in a cherry, that kind of tri color, and it tastes like Captain Lucky too! Absolutely mouth watering intense flavor in all 3. I feel very lucky to be able to grow these. :love:
I will try to get a better, brighter cut fruit photo with the next ripe ones.
Karen seeds are fermenting.

Karen your KARMA babies look strong and healthy. F5 seeds will be on their way to you probably by 1 week from today.

That bi green and pink is great:). There was a saladette that colour last year in my F2s but I think the cherry is even better!
Mainly happy to hear that the taste remains excellent in all of them
I will have fun Trying to choose the best of them to send back to you for the fall
Thank you!
Karen

Isn't it interesting how even on the same plant the different fruit can have same size and shape, color, and yet differing seed locules? That always surprises me. Can anyone reading this explain why that happens, because it doesn't seem to be strictly genetically dictated?

Hmm this brings up an interesting point. The number of seed locules is genetic, the more locules the larger the tomato. I surmise the lack of uniformity to be related to these still being an unstable cross between a cherry and a many - locules beefsteak. A revelation... perhaps to keep the cherry size we should be saving seeds from the cherries with fewer locules?

Another possibility is double or semi double blossoms. There were double blooms in some of the f2s which is not that common in a cherry. Perhaps if only a few in the plant are bigger they came from double blossoms.
Hopefully one of the genetics pros sees your question Marsha
Karen

We never got an answer, which is too bad.:(

I let some volunteer purple multifloras grow. Looks like the multiflora trait is fixed. :D

[QUOTE] Isn't it interesting how even on the same plant the different fruit can have same size and shape, color, and yet differing seed locules? That always surprises me. Can anyone reading this explain why that happens, because it doesn't seem to be strictly genetically dictated?
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Marsha
[/QUOTE]Maybe try posting this question as a new thread in the Crosstalk section with a link back here? I would like to know too! :yes:

Hmmm I didn't see the question, but I will try my best to answer, as far as I know, and someone may correct or tell us more.

My understanding is that the "cherry" trait is = 2 locule fruit, not a one more.
(This is why I got saladette size fruit in my Kimberley X Zolotye Kupola F1. I thought Kimberley was a cherry, but technically it is not ie it has more than two locules).

The Kimberley revelation is enough to say something about cherry vs small fruit - the only way to tell is not fruit size but the strictly two locule condition.
You can certainly have cherry sized fruit that have more locules too.
They won't likely go on to throw larger fruit, as I think results tend to skew towards smaller fruit, although (or because?) size is a complex and additive trait. ("QTL"s).

What is really interesting is the difference it makes, when you cross a "non-cherry" cherry with a large fruit. Multi-locule small fruit are cool for breeding purposes. :) By contrast if you cross a true cherry (2 locules) with a larger fruit, the F1 will always be a true cherry (2 locules) as that trait is dominant to the multi-locular ones.