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[QUOTE=b54red;694448]I have never grown German Queen but I have been growing the pl version of German Johnson for years and rarely do I get any fruit over one pound....
Bill[/QUOTE] I was just looking at the seed company blurbs for size. Nan |
[QUOTE=b54red;694448]I have never grown German Queen but I have been growing the pl version of German Johnson for years and rarely do I get any fruit over one pound. Of course it gets really hot really early down here and that definitely affects the size of all varieties. I did get some nice big ones off GJ the first year or two I grew it but they quickly died from fusarium wilt. Since then I have been grafting it and haven't gotten as large a fruits. No matter to me as it keeps on making now and the taste of German Johnson is always one of my favs.
Bill[/QUOTE] Thanks Bill. I grew German Queen (impulse store purchase) last year. It was very productive. Good tasting pink tomatoes about the size of my IS PL. On the tomato size, my record over the years has been 19 oz Ananas Noire. Cherokee Purple also produced a lot over one pound.. Brandy Boy also gives fruits well over one pound. I will do a vs check with BW Suddurh this year. |
[QUOTE=Gardeneer;694548]Thanks Bill.
I grew German Queen (impulse store purchase) last year. It was very productive. Good tasting pink tomatoes about the size of my IS PL. On the tomato size, my record over the years has been 19 oz Ananas Noire. Cherokee Purple also produced a lot over one pound.. Brandy Boy also gives fruits well over one pound. I will do a vs check with BW Suddurh this year.[/QUOTE] It is not impossible to produce a 2 lb Brandywine Sudduth's down here; but I have only gotten one that large. I do get a lot of one to one and a half pound fruits off several varieties fairly regularly. The list below is of the plants that consistently produce large fruits for me. The ones with two stars after them have occasionally produced fruit over 2 lbs. I don't specifically try to grow giant fruits as they are usually too big for all practical uses other than sauce but once in a while I get a really large fruit. From what I have read on this site to regularly grow those monsters you have to grow only those varieties that have that ability plus treat the plants very differently than normal. Brandywine Sudduth's** Brandywine Cowlick's Stump of the World KBX** Red Barn** Neves Azorean Red** Couilles de Taureau** Gary O' Sena 1884 Dester Donskoi** Limbaugh's Legacy Virginia Sweet** Kentucky Wonder JD's Special C Tex Giant Belgium** Omar's Lebanese** Bill |
Thats a good number of varieties with large fruits. I am not also for sports growing but it is nice to have a few big ones to show off.:lol:
I will try to tally some of my big tomatoes this year I think they will come from: Ananas Noire Branfdy Boy Brandywine Sud German Johnson Hillbilly ? |
[QUOTE=creeker;694499]I'm growing Brandy Boy, Big Beef, Better Boy, and Big Brandy and repeating that sequence 4 times in one row to eliminate or lessen influences of any differences in soil, water availability, disease or insect pressure. All these varieties are new to me. It won't be real scientific but will plan to report back my impressions of yield, flavor and other things. I,:xm sure heat and resistance to scalding sun will be a factor. We've already had a few days over 90 degrees but only 85 today cause the wind's comin' again.[/QUOTE]
Big Beef is gonna knock the pants off the other players in this scenario. Unless...UNLESS you like the watermelon rind flavor of Brandywine. And then it's gonna be Brandy Boy all day long. Big Beef has that red tomato extra taste. The Brandywine derivatives do not have it. |
Pomodoro di Sorrento vs. Pomodoro "Sorrento Selection"
I just planted my seedlings out, and by appearance, the Pomodoro "Sorrento Selection" looks bigger & more vigorous than the Pomodoro di Sorrento.
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[QUOTE=CamuMahubah;694750]Big Beef is gonna knock the pants off the other players in this scenario. Unless...UNLESS you like the watermelon rind flavor of Brandywine. And then it's gonna be Brandy Boy all day long.
Big Beef has that red tomato extra taste. The Brandywine derivatives do not have it.[/QUOTE] Big Beef in my garden right now has the largest tomato among 24 varieties Probably it will be the first ripe one , not counting cherry/grape varieties. THE Brandy vars are behind. ISPL is right behind BB. |
African Vining
Andes Horn Altai Orange Aunt Ginny's Purple Aunt Ruby's German green NOT (bi-color?) "Bacon Lettuce and This" Beaverlodge Slicer Big Beef F1 BKX x SNFLA F1 "Blue Suede-uth Shoes" Brandywine Sudduth Bulgarian Old Sort Bulgarian Triumph "Cabin Fever" Cole Ditmarsher Divine Maltese (with several requests for seed, this one gets caged and mulched) Donskoi Dotson's Lebanese Heart Early Cascade Early Kus Ali Early Wonder Pink Efimer "Elbonian Hip Deep" F3 EM Champion experimental PL yellow cherry Fireball Fishlake Oxheart (pink, as I have still not found the red one) Fordhook First Forest Fire GGWT Jagodka Kapidag Red Kellogg's Breakfast Heart? Latah Mat-Su Express "Miss Scarlet In The Kitchen With The Knife" (I have a yen for board games.;) If there is a Japanese vendor selling this, what would the translation be?) :roll: Neves Azorean Red Oaxacan Jewel NOT/ "Wretched Heart" Opalka OLd Brooks Orange Jazz Orange Strawberry Pearly Pink Orange Pervaya Lyubov Pink Princess Prue NOT PSR-37 Rhode Island Early Rose de Berne Rose of Tashkent "Seek-No-Further Love Apple" Sgt. Pepper's (Karen's heavy antho) Shirley S. Shuntukski Velican Siletz SNFLA x BKX F3 PL SNFLA x BKX F3 RL SOTW Stupice Sklenekove SunGold F1 Sweet Ozark Orange Toedebusch Pink Visitation Valley Yorkbec Zena's Gift Also, many, many crosses/variations of Granny's Heart, Aunt Ginny's Purple, Prudence Purple, and "Kardia Karpos". late starts, not yet planted... Kootenia "Perpetual Change" Pokoritel Sedets/ Subjugator of Hearts Pozhar I'll sort out the versus once I start getting tomatoes.:?: |
[QUOTE=Tormato;704177]African Vining
Andes Horn * Altai Orange * Aunt Ginny's Purple* Aunt Ruby's German green NOT (bi-color?) "Bacon Lettuce and This" Beaverlodge Slicer Big Beef F1 BKX x SNFLA F1 "Blue Suede-uth Shoes" Brandywine Sudduth* Bulgarian Old Sort* Bulgarian Triumph* "Cabin Fever" Cole Ditmarsher Divine Maltese (with several requests for seed, this one gets caged and mulched) Donskoi* Dotson's Lebanese Heart, grown as Omar's Lebanese Heart* Early Cascade Early Kus Ali Early Wonder Pink Efimer "Elbonian Hip Deep" F3 EM Champion experimental PL yellow cherry Fireball*, if it's the one I know,forget it Fishlake Oxheart (pink, as I have still not found the red one)You won't find a stable red, this one flip flops and has since it was first introduced by Neil in Canada. Fordhook First Forest Fire GGWT Jagodka Kapidag Red* Kellogg's Breakfast Heart? (???????) Latah* Mat-Su Express "Miss Scarlet In The Kitchen With The Knife" (I have a yen for board games.;) If there is a Japanese vendor selling this, what would the translation be?) :roll: Neves Azorean Red * Oaxacan Jewel NOT/ "Wretched Heart" Opalka* OLd Brooks* Orange Jazz Orange Strawberry* Pearly Pink Orange Pervaya Lyubov* Pink Princess Prue NOT PSR-37* Rhode Island Early Rose de Berne* Rose of Tashkent "Seek-No-Further Love Apple" Sgt. Pepper's (Karen's heavy antho),have grown, seeds from the originator, lots of antho Shirley S. Shuntukski Velican* Siletz* SNFLA x BKX F3 PL SNFLA x BKX F3 RL SOTW* Stupice Sklenekove if Stupice,yes * but which one,there are 4?, If Sk, no SunGold F1* Sweet Ozark Orange* Toedebusch Pink Visitation Valley* Yorkbec* and there are several other becs, sent to me by Raymont Tratt in Canada and I sent them to Glen Drowns of Sandhill Preservation. Zena's Gift Also, many, many crosses/variations of Granny's Heart, Aunt Ginny's Purple, Prudence Purple, and "Kardia Karpos". late starts, not yet planted... Kootenia "Perpetual Change" Pokoritel Sedets/ Subjugator of Hearts Pozhar* I'll sort out the versus once I start getting tomatoes.:?:[/QUOTE] I've starred the ones I've grown. No Gary what you do is to figure out your versus ones NOW, NOT after the fact and you know it.;):lol: Carolyn,YES,it was Kardia Karpos you sent tome,I asked you the same ? before but you never got back to me on that.Problem solved.:) |
In the dwarf department, I am comparing Dwarf NOAH’s Stripe vs Dwarf Metallica vs dwarf purple stripe from Dwarf Firebird Sweet line vs one from Beauty King (seeds from Craig). I threw in Fred’s Tie Dye for comparison, though the seeds were started much later.
Then I am growing out the original Coorong Pink (seeds from Tatiana’s) and comparing it to the antho version I got last year and the antho with stripes Craig got. I am also comparing an F-3 Beauty line that gave me an orange tomato with gold stripes last year (working name Dwarf Orange Sunburst) with 2 sent me by Idahowoman, Dwarf Suz’s Beauty and another F-6 from the Beauty line. So far the 2 from Idahowoman are larger with a more open growth habit. This is my first year growing Determinates. I am comparing them for production and length of growing season, which I am guessing is not all that different this far north. I also want to compare them to growing dwarfs. The 6 I am growing are Black Seaman, Cyril’s Choice, Danko, Djalo Santa, E M Champion, and Milano Plum. I have tried to unseat Black Cherry as my husband’s favorite cherry tomato for some time now without success, because it is disease prone for me and the vines get so long and hard to support. My candidates to do that this year are Cinnamon Pear and Rebel Alliance (seeds from Marsha). My goal this year was to get down to 80 varieties, but I actually only got it down to 103, so there needs to be more eliminations this year. Ultimately, everything is compared to everything else for flavor first and then production. It the plant is still standing and producing at the end of the season, it gets extra points, also. |
BKX vs Black Krim.
Kellogg's Breakfast vs. BKX Seeds sown for all four March 11. BKX had 100% germination, Black Krim 66%. KBX 60%, Kellogg's Breakfast 80% All fertilized with 1/4 strength fish emulsion and liquid kelp on 3/26. Hardening off began 4/15. Transplanted 5/14. Sprayed with epsom salt and aspirin solution 5/15. Calnit down the tube 6/8, prune and azamax/dawn spray on leaves 6/9. 6/14 fertilized with solution of Dr. Earth's tomato food/Big bloom/Great big tomatoes. All four plants showing some level of fasciation at the stem today, 6/15. All have flowered, none have fruited. BKX is the worst, also showing two fused blossoms. [IMG]http://tomatoville.com/picture.php?albumid=476&pictureid=3023[/IMG] This is the BKX plant as a whole. [IMG]http://tomatoville.com/picture.php?albumid=476&pictureid=3024[/IMG] Black Krim is larger, with more blossoms. [IMG]http://tomatoville.com/picture.php?albumid=476&pictureid=3025[/IMG] I am attempting to prune BKX and Black Krim to two stems. This is Kellogg's Breakfast: [IMG]http://tomatoville.com/picture.php?albumid=476&pictureid=3026[/IMG] A close up of the Kellogg's Breakfast fused stem: [IMG]http://tomatoville.com/picture.php?albumid=476&pictureid=3027[/IMG] Here is KBX today: [IMG]http://tomatoville.com/picture.php?albumid=476&pictureid=3028[/IMG] And KBX's much more pronounced fused stem. KBX is also smaller than Kellogg's Breakfast. [IMG]http://tomatoville.com/picture.php?albumid=476&pictureid=3029[/IMG] |
BKX vs Black Krim
As of 6/25, Black Krim has fruit growing. BKX does not. |
Do you have pictures. Planted Pomodero Sorenti not sure which one of yours. Plant has many curling leaves.
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If it's Pomodoro Sorrento Selection, that came from Italy via Romania to me to you. Not supposed to have curling leaves.
Speaking of the Pomodoro Sorrentos, so far my Pomodoro Sorrento [B]Selection[/B] has large ridged round tomatoes and my Pomodoro [B]de[/B] Sorrento has heart shaped fruit. Puzzling if they're supposed to be similar, but the Selection one could be a fused fruit. I'll try to get pics. Nan Nan |
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I bought the seeds in Italy 3 years ago under the name pomodero sorenti. They are 2 feet tall and are not fruit setting yet.
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[QUOTE=Hatgirl;686996]Minibel vs Balconi Red vs Maskotka vs Garden Pearl / Gartenperle
I've had these packets of red cherry micros/compact tumblers since 2014! But I kept getting distracted by micro yellows or pears or small slicers. I have two plants of each under lights at the moment. The Gartenperles are already 3 times bigger than the Minibels![/QUOTE] Results are in! I grew two plants of each variety. Gartenperle was pink (clear epidermis). Minibel, Balconi Red, and Maskotka were all the usual scarlet red (yellow epidermis). Gartenperle was the smallest (5g), Balconi Red was larger, and Minibel was the largest (25g). Maskotka was variable - some fruit were as small as Gartenperle and some as large as Maskotka! Everything was sowed on the same day, and I got fruit from Balconi Red first at the beginning of May, and closely after that Gartenperle, then aaages later Maskotka and then even longer after that Minibel - 2 months later than the Balconi Red! Balconi Red was a true micro that didn't get taller than 1ft, with rugose foliage. Minibel was very short for months, and then suddenly doubled in height to 18 inches! It had rugose foliage as well. Gartenperle was a compact 1ft tumbler with fine regular leaves. Maskotka was also a tumbler with regular leaves, but it was 18 inches high and sprawled widely. And the most important part.. The taste! Balconi Red and Gartenperle were too sharp and not sweet enough for me. But Maskotka and Minibel had exactly the kind of taste I like. Minibel had a little more flesh, and Maskotka had a little more gel. |
not a tomato but.. "sweet success" vs "sweeter yet" cucumbers... sweeter yet wins hands down for me.
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[QUOTE=clkeiper;707177]not a tomato but.. "sweet success" vs "sweeter yet" cucumbers... sweeter yet wins hands down for me.[/QUOTE]
We tried Sweeter Yet about 5-6 years ago and have grown it every year since. For the second year in a row we are also growing Suyo Long, which was recommended here. |
Pomodoro de Sorrento vs. Pomodoro "Sorrento Selection"
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Pomodoro Sorrento Selection is beating Pomodoro de Sorrento hands down.
"Selection" is a larger plant, jucier fruit and the taste is far superior to "de Sorrento". "De Sorrento" is mild flavored, few seeds, not juicy. Here's a pic, Sorrento Selection is on the left and di Sorrento is on the right: [ATTACH]83257[/ATTACH] |
Ditmarsher vs well...nothing.
It was the first to ripen, 74 days from sowing (37 day in a cup/37 days after transplanting to a large pot). Flavor was, well...I'm still about 10 months in on tomato withdrawal.:dizzy: |
Post Office Spoonful vs. Post Office Runt:
2/3"............................7/16" Tons of thin stems.........tons of thin stems Huge plant...................relatively smaller plant Small leaves.................smaller leaves Tastes great.................Tastes similar with a bit more flavor. |
Dr. Carolyn...............vs..............Wild Tiger
Sweet,tart,flavorful,awesome.......Sweet,tart,flavorful,awesome Ripening early............................Ripening midseason Rabbit doesn't like......................Rabbit loves; we wrestle for each one. White........................................Green/multi streaked A little hard to tell when ripe........A little hard to tell when ripe Round, bite size.........................Oblong, two bites. Will be invited back.....................Will be invited back |
Dotson's Lebanese Heart.....vs....Heinz 1439
As far as fried green tomatoes go, both are good, but this year at least, Heinz 1439 is better. |
I just read through this whole thread again and most adhered to the question being asked of comparing, well,comparable varieties, like the various Brandywine ones,or a variety that has both an RL and PL version ,etc.,but some decided to list everything they were growing.:?:
Maybe it's just me but I can't see comparing a large pink beefsteak variety with a small medium red variety.:) Carolyn |
I did go pretty far afield. I compared DLH and Heinz as fried greens only, as they were both being used for the same purpose. Ditto for Dr. Carolyn & Wild Tiger, as they were both being trialed as cherries, and had surprising similarities.
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Maglia Rosa and Candy Sweet Icicle are two I am comparing this year. No decisive winner for me yet. Son tasted both and though he liked CSI he preferred the MR. and thought it sweeter.
MR started ripening earlier, has smaller fruit . CSI is a larger plant with larger fruit. Though ripening later it has produced more in weight, so far. They are very similar in appearance in both plant and fruit. So close they look like they could be related. |
Ditmarsher 74 (dtm from sowing) flavor - 4
Cole 82 - 6 Latah 82 - 5 Pearly Pink Orange 82 - 4 Pink Princess 84 - 6 Sun Gold F1 84 - 9+ Forest Fire 85 - 5 Pervaya Lyubov 85 - 8 to 9 SNFLA 88 premature ripening/BER - 9+ Jagodka 91 -5 Visitation Valley 91 -5 Granny's Heart NOT (#29) 91 - 8 to 9 Prue NOT 91 - 6 Rhode Island Early 92 - 6 Mat Su Express 93 - 8 experimental PL yellow cherry 93 -6 grading scale... 4 - awful, but not dreadful 5 - OK 6 - OK, but only combined with other things 7 - very good, but not in the elite category 8 - excellent, stand alone eating quality 9+ - superb |
[QUOTE=Tormato;710238]Ditmarsher 74 (dtm from sowing) flavor - 4
Cole 82 - 6 Latah 82 - 5 Pearly Pink Orange 82 - 4 Pink Princess 84 - 6 Sun Gold F1 84 - 9+ Forest Fire 85 - 5 Pervaya Lyubov 85 - 8 to 9 SNFLA 88 premature ripening/BER - 9+ Jagodka 91 -5 Visitation Valley 91 -5 Granny's Heart NOT (#29) 91 - 8 to 9 Prue NOT 91 - 6 Rhode Island Early 92 - 6 Mat Su Express 93 - 8 experimental PL yellow cherry 93 -6 grading scale... 4 - awful, but not dreadful 5 - OK 6 - OK, but only combined with other things 7 - very good, but not in the elite category 8 - excellent, stand alone eating quality 9+ - superb[/QUOTE] Of the ones I've grown,and there a lot on your list of those,I can agree with your flavor ratings. BUT,here are the ones where I don't agree,to each their own, as is oft said. Visitation Valley and Latah,I would rate 1 to 2. As for Latah, and some other comments here you go. [url]http://www.tomatoville.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=710238[/url] Of Dr. Boes ones my all time,or close to it BAD BAD one is Sandpoint, the link above tells you why. And I told Glenn to never ask me to eat it again unless it was enrobed in dark chocolate.;):lol: And of course I can't comment on all the ones that weren't what they were supposed to be. Carolyn |
I am glad you are comparing these two!!
As far as whether they are related, you would have to ask Brad Gates about that. Although breeders are entitled to some trade secrets! [QUOTE=GrowingCoastal;710198]Maglia Rosa and Candy Sweet Icicle are two I am comparing this year. No decisive winner for me yet. Son tasted both and though he liked CSI he preferred the MR. and thought it sweeter. MR started ripening earlier, has smaller fruit . CSI is a larger plant with larger fruit. Though ripening later it has produced more in weight, so far. They are very similar in appearance in both plant and fruit. So close they look like they could be related.[/QUOTE] |
Is anyone comparing Purple Bumblebee and Russian Cossack?
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