my multiflora cross is setting flowers.

Wow!... those clusters are intense! :D

Excellent job!

Which number do you have MM?

number of what?

Oh sorry I got threads confused and thought you were growing one of ChrisK's crosses. What is yours a cross of?

the cross was a f3 of Carolina gold x red centiflor. I did the cross with the red centiflor because it was the biggest, strongest, healthiest plant in the garden. I am looking to breed a tomato with the tangerine gene but the centiflor has been kind of a fun side track.

Is anybody crossing Dwarfs with Multiflora?

[QUOTE=AdrianaG;497063]Is anybody crossing Dwarfs with Multiflora?[/QUOTE]

ChrisK has some fascinating lines he is working on. He has a thread in this forum - "Micro-tomato crosses" that includes information about some dwarf multiflora along with other regular micro and micro multiflora lines he is working on.

I am growing out an F1 of a dwarf crossed with a micro-multiflora of Chris' that I am helping him with. The F1 is an extremely early - less than 50 days - heavy producing dwarf plant with red 1-2 oz round fruit. Its mama was a micro multiflora with small red cherry size fruits and its papa was a dwarf that produced great tasting, large, 8-10 oz red w/green striped fruit.

I just started the first batch of F2s, which should be 3/4 dwarf - 1/4 micro and each of those groups should be 3/4 normal flora and 1/4 multiflora. What the fruit end up like is going to be the interesting and fun part.

I also attempted crosses of the same micro multiflora line with 7 other different dwarfs this summer. Time will tell whether or not the crosses were successful as I haven't collected the seed yet. Next summer could be interesting.

After posting this I noticed that you have posted in ChrisK's thread, so I didn't need to make you aware of his work.....

Dfollett, are your dwarfs from the Dwarf Project? Can't wait to see what the next generations bring. It's like Christmas all summer long!

[QUOTE=AdrianaG;497297]Dfollett, are your dwarfs from the Dwarf Project? Can't wait to see what the next generations bring. It's like Christmas all summer long![/QUOTE]

Yes they are.

[QUOTE=ChrisK;444931]I'd be curious to know the actual breeding history of these. I've found only cryptic mentions of it being maybe a three way with wild species. Bred by Al Kapular, I think. He appears to have a number that he calls "centiflor hypertress"[/QUOTE]

Where do European lines come from?

I read some of the posts in this thread but not all and some mentioned Alan Kapuler whom I once knew since he listed varieties in the SSE YEabooks, so I fetched his Peace Seeds site where he describes all the hypertress varieties that he, his daughter, etc., developed'

it's a long list so scroll down until you come to tomatoes since flowers come first.

[url]http://peaceseedslive.blogspot.com/[/url]

Hope that helps.

Carolyn

My question comes because I know a couple such varieties from Spain, and I doubt they come from Alan's work.

There seems to be quite a tradition of European multiflora varieties that predate Dr Kapuler's work by some time, (Blondköpfchen, Ildi, Mirabell, Riesentraube etc.) but I have no idea of their official history.