[QUOTE=Tormato;710238]Ditmarsher 74 (dtm from sowing) flavor - 4
Cole 82 - 6
Latah 82 - 5
Pearly Pink Orange 82 - 4
Pink Princess 84 - 6
Sun Gold F1 84 - 9+
Forest Fire 85 - 5
Pervaya Lyubov 85 - 8 to 9
SNFLA 88 premature ripening/BER - 9+
Jagodka 91 -5
Visitation Valley 91 -5
Granny's Heart NOT (#29) 91 - 8 to 9
Prue NOT 91 - 6
Rhode Island Early 92 - 6
Mat Su Express 93 - 8
experimental PL yellow cherry 93 -6



grading scale...
4 - awful, but not dreadful
5 - OK
6 - OK, but only combined with other things
7 - very good, but not in the elite category
8 - excellent, stand alone eating quality
9+ - superb[/QUOTE]

Glad to see Mat-Su came through for you knowing you have grown a few varieties.

Update:
Kelloggs Breakfast - going down to disease.
KBX - thriving and producing huge fruit.

So in Black Krim vs BKX: BKX is the winner. More disease resistance, better production of larger fruit. BKX had more blossom end rot initially, but in the end has been the superior plant.

Similarly, Kelloggs Breakfast vs. KBX: KBX wins. Again, better disease resistance, better production and larger fruit.

Andes Horn vs Opalka. Unless I have the wrong seeds for Opalka, in a side-by-side growout of the two, I can't tell any difference between them.:? They have identical maturing dates, size, shape, color, and taste.

[QUOTE=Tormato;713054]Andes Horn vs Opalka. Unless I have the wrong seeds for Opalka, in a side-by-side growout of the two, I can't tell any difference between them.:? They have identical maturing dates, size, shape, color, and taste.[/QUOTE]

Could be wrong seeds for Andes Horn as well.

I've grown both.

[url]https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1706&bih=815&ei=YYqFW-iBPfCH_Qaj76wo&q=Andes+Horn+tomato+tomatoville&oq=Andes+Horn+tomato+tomatoville&gs_l=psy-ab.3...62435.69848.0.72164.12.12.0.0.0.0.147.1083.9j3.12.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.11.1007...0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.0.9HFv0y7N-yA[/url]

Carolyn

[QUOTE=carolyn137;713056]Could be wrong seeds for Andes Horn as well.

I've grown both.

[URL]https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1706&bih=815&ei=YYqFW-iBPfCH_Qaj76wo&q=Andes+Horn+tomato+tomatoville&oq=Andes+Horn+tomato+tomatoville&gs_l=psy-ab.3...62435.69848.0.72164.12.12.0.0.0.0.147.1083.9j3.12.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.11.1007...0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.0.9HFv0y7N-yA[/URL]

Carolyn[/QUOTE]


And, how would you know you've grown both???;)

[QUOTE=Tormato;713059]And, how would you know you've grown both???;)[/QUOTE]

Opalka I know well since I introduced that one, and my source for Andes Horn was from Roberta Mell in Italy,yes she's for real,see this link,post # 39

[url]http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=19642&highlight=Roberta+Mell&page=3[/url]

And Roberta called it Andes Cornu,Italian for horn.

[url]https://www.google.com/search?q=cornue+des+andes+tomato&hl=en&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwit7bbF3ZDdAhWOTN8KHfY8BhQQ_AUICSgA&biw=1706&bih=815&dpr=1[/url]

Yes Roberta also posted here at Tville for a while since she was always looking for new varieties since she had a website in Italy where she sold seeds, and raised all she sold, primarily for European customers.

Roberta is from the US,but bad things happened all at once,she got divorced,her parents died just 2 months apart as I recall so she decided to move to Italy and start over, not just for tomatoes but she wanted to learn Italian and get to know her neighbors,their foods and customs as well. And I really should e-mail her to see how things are going with her.

Summary? Opalka has smooth sides and tapers down to a point while Andes is also used as a paste tomato but it is much thicker all the way down with no real taper point,just a bulge if you will, more like a fat plum tomato such as Sarnowski Polish Plum.

Gary,the above should confirm WHY I know I've grown both.And now I also remember that when Roberta sent me the seeds,there were many varieties,it was Kath here at Tville who grew them out for me and saved seeds and I think she may have also sent me a box of the fruits so I could see what they looked like..And Roberta sent the seeds in those glassine envelopes,I remember that also. And yes, I offered them in a seed offer here at Tville.

Carolyn

[QUOTE=creeker;694499]I'm growing Brandy Boy, Big Beef, Better Boy, and Big Brandy and repeating that sequence 4 times in one row to eliminate or lessen influences of any differences in soil, water availability, disease or insect pressure. All these varieties are new to me. It won't be real scientific but will plan to report back my impressions of yield, flavor and other things. I,:xm sure heat and resistance to scalding sun will be a factor. We've already had a few days over 90 degrees but only 85 today cause the wind's comin' again.[/QUOTE]

It was not a good tomato season for me mostly due to excessive heat and lots of drying winds. That said Big Beef was the winner in this comparison with the most, largest and best tasting tomatoes. The Brandywine crosses (Brandy Boy and Big Brandy) were next with decent taste and fair production but I didn't care for the uneven ripening and shape of most of them, perhaps due to poor growing conditions. While Better Boy started first they didn't last long and was a definite last. Next year will grow many Big Beef and my longtime favorite Celebrity.

Pearly pink orange vs. japanese pink cherry.

Pearly pink orange was just gross, bland, meh.
Japanese pink cherry was excellent in comparison.

[QUOTE=clkeiper;725321]Pearly pink orange vs. japanese pink cherry.

Pearly pink orange was just gross, bland, meh.
Japanese pink cherry was excellent in comparison.[/QUOTE]


Looking back, I had Pearly Pink Orange rated as a 4 (meaning awful but not dreadful). We seem to agree.



And, to rate down around 1 or 2, a tomato cannot be bland/meh. It has to have a strong "/puke" kind of taste.

What! PPO is one of the most delicious early determinate / container cherries I know. Dependable, early, and tasty... and easy to grow as it doesn't even need a support system. What's not to like?!

I actually really like Pearly pink orange, partly because it is so early and prolific, but I learned to not pick it until they are deep pink. No flavor until quite ripe.

[QUOTE=NarnianGarden;725580]What! PPO is one of the most delicious early determinate / container cherries I know. Dependable, early, and tasty... and easy to grow as it doesn't even need a support system. What's not to like?![/QUOTE]


Living four degrees from the Arctic Circle has obviously blessed you with a unique set of taste buds.;)

[QUOTE=Tormato;725589]Living four degrees from the Arctic Circle has obviously blessed you with a unique set of taste buds.;)[/QUOTE]

Indeed. Agree with Farmer Shawn, the fruits have to be dead ripe dark pink to taste so good. Don't rush it, no matter how hard it is to resist that temptation.

PPO... no matter how ripe it was it didn't taste like anything.

[QUOTE=clkeiper;725607]PPO... no matter how ripe it was it didn't taste like anything.[/QUOTE]



If you chew one long enough, not recommended, you can taste the skin.

Folks, what's wrong with your palate or conditions. Over here, PPO was a thundering success, everyone who tasted it was sold out, including my mom and neighbors...

Here, it could be my conditions. :?!?:



The majority of cherry, red, and orange tomatoes are bland tasting, coming from my garden. Pinks, hearts (of any color), blacks, greens, etc...are usually full flavored, even though I might despise the flavor (of most black and green tomatoes).


The pH of my garden soil is likely about 5.5, which possibly could be a contributing factor.

My soil is from a bag and I grow all tomatoes in containers... with amendments and natural ferts every variety [I]usually[/I] has flavor - except last summer, when the heat wave really messed up the process :evil:
Hopefully, this season will be back to normal again, no hot/cold games!