Novelty Foliage Tomatoes ???
 

Hi all ,

I was wondering if in your travels you were aware of any Tomatoes that had

Novelty , different type of foliage ........


Foliage just different enough to make the plant stand out a bit ....

I think even Silvery Fir is in this group

Variegated Tomato also


Angora etc.

Anna Russian is wispy...

Joseph has said wispy varieties, but there many hundreds of varieties that have wispy droopy leaves , so Joseph, I don't consider wispy ones to stand out. But Black Bear, if you haven't grown a wispy one, most are hearts, then please do so.

PErhaps this link might help;

[url]http://faq.gardenweb.com/discussions/2766770/are-there-different-types-of-tomato-leaves[/url]

Some pictures are missing in the above link but that only happened when Houzz recently bought out Garden Web. But certain variety names are given as examples in each category.

Then there's Lutescent, nee Honor Bright and while Tania says the initial foliage is yellow it turns to green, but most of us who have grown it have found that that sickly looking foliage persists.

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Lutescent[/url]

To date I've grown about 4,000 plus different varieties and I think I've seen almost all the wierd ones, whoops I just remembered another one that stands out, I'll go fetch it now

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Stick[/url]

I can't think of any variety I ever grew that I did so b'c it was so different it stood out, other than the one I just linked to, Stick/

There are also variations of angora ones, rugose ones, RL ones and PL ones and variegated ones as well, but IMO nothing that would make the variations stand out as single varieties.

And I know I'm not remembering a few other varieties that have persistent yellow foliage, so perhaps some can speak to those.

How many different varieties have you grown to date, and I ask b'c I think you are perhaps the first person I know of who wants to actually seek out what some refer to as novelty ones as to foliage.:)

Carolyn

[QUOTE=carolyn137;481719]Joseph has said wispy varieties, but there many hundreds of varieties that have wispy droopy leaves , so Joseph, I don't consider wispy ones to stand out. But Black Bear, if you haven't grown a wispy one, most are hearts, then please do so.

PErhaps this link might help;

[url]http://faq.gardenweb.com/discussions/2766770/are-there-different-types-of-tomato-leaves[/url]

Some pictures are missing in the above link but that only happened when Houzz recently bought out Garden Web. But certain variety names are given as examples in each category.

Then there's Lutescent, nee Honor Bright and while Tania says the initial foliage is yellow it turns to green, but most of us who have grown it have found that that sickly looking foliage persists.

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Lutescent[/url]

To date I've grown about 4,000 plus different varieties and I think I've seen almost all the wierd ones, whoops I just remembered another one that stands out, I'll go fetch it now

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Stick[/url]

I can't think of any variety I ever grew that I did so b'c it was so different it stood out, other than the one I just linked to, Stick/

There are also variations of angora ones, rugose ones, RL ones and PL ones and variegated ones as well, but IMO nothing that would make the variations stand out as single varieties.

And I know I'm not remembering a few other varieties that have persistent yellow foliage, so perhaps some can speak to those.

How many different varieties have you grown to date, and I ask b'c I think you are perhaps the first person I know of who wants to actually seek out what some refer to as novelty ones as to foliage.:)

Carolyn[/QUOTE]
Thanks Carolyn
awesome tip...

I was going to add Stick to the list I forgot .

I am growing them now and have not outgrown the novelty and possibilities they have.

The "Crinkly " leaves look like tufts or pom poms at the nodes .

They would make good props for a Sci-Fi Movie.


I have grown the variegated .

.. Silvery Fir of course ....

an 'angora" a long time ago .

I think it might be neat to have a few extra that stand out some how from the typical.

I am not so sure about looking sickly foliage ...but maybe having some in a grouping to show the wide expression of Tomato including the different foliage would be cool idea .

Don't get me wrong they have to produce as well . This is Tomatoville ... the production comes before the aesthetic considerations here ha ha ha

All of the other Solanum species in the tomato subgroup have different foliage. Unfortunately, most of them except S. pimpinellifolium have inedible fruit.

Velvet Red cherry...has fuzzy foliage...fruit has fuzz too but it wipes right off.

Golden Glow has striking yellow leaves
 

Golden Glow variety

has Striking "fluorescent" yellow leaves I have no pictures or source of seeds

Silvery Fir Tree.
Its carrot like leaves are very unique . You cannot miss not identifying it .
I grew one last year.

Yes, so is Carrot-like. Very ornamental, and good producer too... (but was relatively late for us last year)

Just a few comments.

Velvet Red is also known as Angora Supersweet, the person who bred the original changed the name

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Velvet_Red[/url]

And no, I had no fuzzy fruits for either one as Tania noted.

Silvery Fir Tree and Carrot like.

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Carrot-Like[/url]

I bought my seeds for Carrot-like in the 80's from Seeds Blum, when Silvery Fir Tree was not even known,

There is a thread here somewhere at Tville where Andrey from Belarus commented about them and said, as best I recall, that they were not the same.

About species foliage that have edible fruits.

Yes, S. pimpinellifolium, we know it as currant tomatoes, does and yes, I've grown a lot of currant ones and I do like them some better than others.

Another species is S. cheesmanii and it has edible fruits as well;

[url]http://tgrc.ucdavis.edu/key.aspx[/url]

Click on cheesmani there and you get:

[url]http://tgrc.ucdavis.edu/Data/Acc/taxon_images.aspx?Taxon=L.%20cheesmanii[/url]

Finally the connection between S Cheesmani and Galapagos Turtles.

[url]https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=cheesmanii+galapagos+turtles[/url]

And Finally finally finally

I had asked Amy Goldman when she went to the Galapagos Islands to bring me back seeds for cheesmani, since I knew it was salt tolerant, I knew about the connection with turtles and I knew it was edible, the tomato fruits, not the turtles, at least for me.;)

She brought back actual fruits and sent them to me, I saved seeds directly , with no processing and germination was 100%, But ASAP I knew they weren't cheesmanii b'c these were red, and that's when I contacted Dr. Chatelet at the TGRC and since I knew the island they came from he was able to tell me that they were a stable interspecies cross, and that was later borne out by some DNA analysis done in England.

Tania noted that Amy's daughter went with her, but no, Sara didn't, but when I sent my saved seeds back to Amy she did name it after her daughter.

I think it's a great variety, you can see that others say the same, and well worth growing.

All for now,

Carolyn

[QUOTE=carolyn137;481887]Just a few comments.

Velvet Red is also known as Angora Supersweet, the person who bred the original changed the name

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Velvet_Red[/url]

And no, I had no fuzzy fruits for either one as Tania noted.

Silvery Fir Tree and Carrot like.

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Carrot-Like[/url]

I bought my seeds for Carrot-like in the 80's from Seeds Blum, when Silvery Fir Tree was not even known,

There is a thread here somewhere at Tville where Andrey from Belarus commented about them and said, as best I recall, that they were not the same.

About species foliage that have edible fruits.

Yes, S. pimpinellifolium, we know it as currant tomatoes, does and yes, I've grown a lot of currant ones and I do like them some better than others.

Another species is S. cheesmanii and it has edible fruits as well;

[url]http://tgrc.ucdavis.edu/key.aspx[/url]

Click on cheesmani there and you get:

[url]http://tgrc.ucdavis.edu/Data/Acc/taxon_images.aspx?Taxon=L.%20cheesmanii[/url]

Finally the connection between S Cheesmani and Galapagos Turtles.

[url]https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=cheesmanii+galapagos+turtles[/url]

And Finally finally finally

I had asked Amy Goldman when she went to the Galapagos Islands to bring me back seeds for cheesmani, since I knew it was salt tolerant, I knew about the connection with turtles and I knew it was edible, the tomato fruits, not the turtles, at least for me.;)

She brought back actual fruits and sent them to me, I saved seeds directly , with no processing and germination was 100%, But ASAP I knew they weren't cheesmanii b'c these were red, and that's when I contacted Dr. Chatelet at the TGRC and since I knew the island they came from he was able to tell me that they were a stable interspecies cross, and that was later borne out by some DNA analysis done in England.

Tania noted that Amy's daughter went with her, but no, Sara didn't, but when I sent my saved seeds back to Amy she did name it after her daughter.

I think it's a great variety, you can see that others say the same, and well worth growing.

All for now,

Carolyn[/QUOTE]
oooo ahhh ... salt tolerance ......

that brings up a whole other potential thread for future culture needs

most interesting stuff

Thanks Carolyn

And while I referred to folks who commented about Sara's Galapagos in my above post, I forgot to give the link:

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Sara%27s_Galapagos[/url]

The link had been saved with the usual key strokes and then stuff here at home happened, like Martha, who prepares meals for me, accidentally blowing up some eggs she was boiling for hard boiled eggs, the noise was LOUD when they blew up and I totally forgot to link to it.:lol:

Carolyn

Angora Super sweet found aka
 

OMG just found a packet of Angora Super sweet...was a gift

from an old Tomatofest order ......

People ...you should organize your seeds better ! ...ha ha ha

You never know what is there ! :yes:

Fuzzy Wuzzy and Bonte Tigeret
 

Fuzzy wuzzy has wooly grey blue foliage with Fuzzy golden striped fruits


Bonte tigret has unusual green-yellow ruguse foliage with red egg shaped fruit with golden-yellow stripes ....

Update ! for 2017 ...

the ornamental Tomato foliage group pursuit has stabilized for me

I like having a grouping of a Fuzzy Wuzzy , Bonte Tigrette ,Silvery Fir , and maybe a Stick

ALL ARE CONTAINER FRIENDLY ...and together the foliage has striking contrasts ....

Angora leaves ...next to yellow foliage ...and Fern leaves and and the crinkle pomp poms of stick (Fruit of Fuzzy wuzzy and Bonte Tigerette is striped as well !).

Most pleasing little display possible for small decks etc.

I am growing Coeur de Boeuf (ox heart ) .
I was thinking that it looks sicky. But now, according to Carolyn, I learned that most heart varieties are wispy .

I'm growing Sgt. Peppers this year, and the antho foliage (which is more purple than green) makes it easy to pick out from all the other seedlings. I hear that this variety has great taste too :)

Linda

[QUOTE=Labradors2;643110]I'm growing Sgt. Peppers this year, and the antho foliage (which is more purple than green) makes it easy to pick out from all the other seedlings. I hear that this variety has great taste too :)

Linda[/QUOTE]

oooooooooooh ...

sounds interesting ...for this type of "ornamental foliage" tomato pursuit

cool !

[QUOTE=Labradors2;643110]I'm growing Sgt. Peppers this year, and the antho foliage (which is more purple than green) makes it easy to pick out from all the other seedlings. I hear that this variety has great taste too :)

Linda[/QUOTE]

Linda, Sgt Pepper has no antho foliage at all,it's a normal green color, the antho part is often seen on the shoulders of that pink heart.

Here is the link to the person who bred it and some pictures.His name is Jason Hayes,but is best known as Tollie.

[url]http://seasideseeds.weebly.com/sgt-peppers.html[/url]

Hope that helps and yes I do know Tollie as well as Blane and for sure I know the variety German Red Strawberry as well.

[url]http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/German_Red_Strawberry[/url]

Carolyn, who also notes that one of my original seed producers, there were 4 that go back to the early 90's, I had to add 3 more b/c of so many seeds to be produced 2 years ago, did seed production for it last summer and will be SSE listing it.I was sent some seeds and gave some to Rob,who is local,and grows my seedlings for me and hopefully Freda tends to them. I've heard nothing but excellent comments for it,so here's hoping this summer is a great one and I can see it and most importantly taste it,which is the main reason I've grown tomatoes for so many decades now..

How's this for novelty foliage?

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/MizTortuga/Variegated%20Tomatoes/Variegated%20Tomatoes%202017%20F4%20MM/MMF4Pink1_zpslxejw5fc.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/MizTortuga/Variegated%20Tomatoes/Variegated%20Tomatoes%202017%20F4%20MM/MMF4pink4_zpsyd7ecgyv.jpg[/IMG]

Blane sent me Moonlight Mile F2 seeds a couple of years ago, and this just appeared in all three seedlings this spring, from some a very whitened variegated plant I had last year. I've seen pink tips on new white foliage before, but never to this extent. :cute:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/MizTortuga/Variegated%20Tomatoes/Variegated%20Tomatoes%202017%20F4%20MM/MMF4pink_5_zpsf8cyoami.jpg[/IMG]

I don't expect them to be very productive if they set fruit. I have two other MM F4 selections growing, and neither has this much pinky purple in the new leaves, though the more closely related selection has a nice amount also.

[QUOTE=carolyn137;643184]Linda, Sgt Pepper has no antho foliage at all,it's a normal green color, the antho part is often seen on the shoulders of that pink heart.

Here is the link to the person who bred it and some pictures.His name is Jason Hayes,but is best known as Tollie.

[url]http://seasideseeds.weebly.com/sgt-peppers.html[/url]

Hope that helps and yes I do know Tollie as well as Blane and for sure I know the variety German Red Strawberry as well.

[url]http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/German_Red_Strawberry[/url]

Carolyn, who also notes that one of my original seed producers, there were 4 that go back to the early 90's, I had to add 3 more b/c of so many seeds to be produced 2 years ago, did seed production for it last summer and will be SSE listing it.I was sent some seeds and gave some to Rob,who is local,and grows my seedlings for me and hopefully Freda tends to them. I've heard nothing but excellent comments for it,so here's hoping this summer is a great one and I can see it and most importantly taste it,which is the main reason I've grown tomatoes for so many decades now..[/QUOTE]


Carolyn,

Have you every grown Sgt Peppers? I am growing it right now and, as I have said, I can pick out my seedling from all the rest because of it's dark antho foliage! Perhaps this will not persist until adulthood, I hadn't thought about that, but it is very convenient to know at a glance which variety it is!


Linda

The two years that I grew Sgt Peppers, I had antho on most of the seedlings, and I have read reports from other people being very happy about the amount of antho on their seedlings as well. In fact the advice has been to grow out only the seedlings with the most antho on stems.

[QUOTE=ddsack;643205]How's this for novelty foliage?

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/MizTortuga/Variegated%20Tomatoes/Variegated%20Tomatoes%202017%20F4%20MM/MMF4Pink1_zpslxejw5fc.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/MizTortuga/Variegated%20Tomatoes/Variegated%20Tomatoes%202017%20F4%20MM/MMF4pink4_zpsyd7ecgyv.jpg[/IMG]

Blane sent me Moonlight Mile F2 seeds a couple of years ago, and this just appeared in all three seedlings this spring, from some a very whitened variegated plant I had last year. I've seen pink tips on new white foliage before, but never to this extent. :cute:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/MizTortuga/Variegated%20Tomatoes/Variegated%20Tomatoes%202017%20F4%20MM/MMF4pink_5_zpsf8cyoami.jpg[/IMG]

I don't expect them to be very productive if they set fruit. I have two other MM F4 selections growing, and neither has this much pinky purple in the new leaves, though the more closely related selection has a nice amount also.[/QUOTE]

I grew "variegated " variety for a few years and the leaves are reminiscent of that vartiety ......a bit.......hmmmm

[QUOTE=carolyn137;643184]Linda, Sgt Pepper has no antho foliage at all,it's a normal green color, the antho part is often seen on the shoulders of that pink heart.

Here is the link to the person who bred it and some pictures.His name is Jason Hayes,but is best known as Tollie.

[URL]http://seasideseeds.weebly.com/sgt-peppers.html[/URL]

Hope that helps and yes I do know Tollie as well as Blane and for sure I know the variety German Red Strawberry as well.

[URL]http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/German_Red_Strawberry[/URL]

Carolyn, who also notes that one of my original seed producers, there were 4 that go back to the early 90's, I had to add 3 more b/c of so many seeds to be produced 2 years ago, did seed production for it last summer and will be SSE listing it.I was sent some seeds and gave some to Rob,who is local,and grows my seedlings for me and hopefully Freda tends to them. I've heard nothing but excellent comments for it,so here's hoping this summer is a great one and I can see it and most importantly taste it,which is the main reason I've grown tomatoes for so many decades now..[/QUOTE]


Soooooooo Many hearts varieties to try ...but so little time
..........sighhh

:)

Dee, your Moonlight Mile plants are impressive. You're tempting me to give that one a go next year :)

Linda

Linda, the pink doesn't appear equally on the various MM F4's, don't know if others involved in the grow outs have found any plants with the extreme amount. Last year, the parent of these was very skimpy with fruit set. If these get to maturity with any fruit with seeds, I'd be happy to share with you. :yes: Right now they look super healthy, but will be interesting to see what their long term chances are. I love experiments!

Sounds like fun Dee and thanks for the offer! Fingers crossed that fruit set will be improved this time around. With Cherokee Purple in the parentage, this one should taste good as well as being a beauty to behold :)

Linda

[QUOTE=Labradors2;643243]Carolyn,

Have you every grown Sgt Peppers? I am growing it right now and, as I have said, I can pick out my seedling from all the rest because of it's dark antho foliage! Perhaps this will not persist until adulthood, I hadn't thought about that, but it is very convenient to know at a glance which variety it is!


Linda[/QUOTE]

I will be this summer as I noted in a post above when I said that Rob, who is local,will be growing seedlings for me.

Carolyn

[QUOTE=ddsack;643339]The two years that I grew Sgt Peppers, I had antho on most of the seedlings, and I have read reports from other people being very happy about the amount of antho on their seedlings as well. In fact the advice has been to grow out only the seedlings with the most antho on stems.[/QUOTE]

Dee, I can only refer you to Tollie's website( he bred the variety) and the pictures he showed as to no antho foliage,I think maybe post #19

Many varieties I've grown as seedlings have purple stems, but I never called them antho, and they weren't antho ones anyway. As the seedlings grew the stems turned green.

Carolyn

Carolyn,

I hope you will enjoy your own Sgt. Peppers tomatoes this season :)

I contacted Tollie to ask about antho in the leaves of Sgt Peppers and he sent me the following:

(Google Docs to the rescue)

Anthocyanins in tomato fruits and plants

oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2012/jan/purple-tomato-debuts-%E2%80%98indigo-rose%E2%80%99

Jim Myers, a professor in the OSU horticulture department said:

“Indigo Rose's genesis began in the 1960s, when two breeders – one from Bulgaria and the other from the United States – first crossed-cultivated tomatoes with wild species from Chile and the Galapagos Islands, Myers said. Some wild tomato species have anthocyanins in their fruit, and until now, tomatoes grown in home gardens have had the beneficial pigment only in their leaves and stems, which are inedible.”
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academic.oup.com/jhered/article/94/6/449/2187396/Characterization-and-Inheritance-of-the

Tomato (Lycopersicon esculentum) accession LA1996 with the Anthocyanin fruit (Aft) gene has dark green foliage, elevated anthocyanin expression in the hypocotyls of seedlings, and anthocyanin in the skin and outer pericarp tissues of the fruit.

Vegetative tissues of Aft tomato plants are distinctive. Leaves are darker green and stems contain visibly more purple speckling than do wild-type plants.

Normal tomato genotypes routinely contain anthocyanin in the vegetative parts of the plants but not in the fruit.

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He also stated that he had personally observed anthocyanin expressed in the leaves and stems of sprouts, seedlings and transplants although the purple coloring seems to disappear in mature plants, it is retained in the stems.

One more exciting thing he said was that he believes that anthocyanin is protective for plants going into cold weather at the end of the season!

Linda