Toms TPS
 

Now at the three month growth stage,should be able to get 5 more before the end of the season.
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[SIZE=5]I always like to see the seedlings out of my potato program. Just thinking of some names for the seedlings pictured...

Poky Sow Call for the Lo Owl Skycap, both of which are anagrams of my original cross.
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[B][SIZE=5][B]Hootchy-Kootchy for one of the seedlings of Khuchi Khuchi[/B][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=4][SIZE=5]Domain Blued for one of the Diamond Blues, also an anagram.[/SIZE][/SIZE]

So whats a anagram Tom?? :?!?:

He Rears Sheep is an anagram of sheep shearer. Rearranging the letters to make a new word or words.

In the case of Lo Owl Skycap, this name is an anagram of the two parents that were used in the cross. But it takes me a few moments to remember the hidden pedigree sometimes, but I like the mystery.

Tom you've mentioned in another thread that growing TPS potatoes will show variations which is really showing up in the likes of the two Diamond Blue plants below,no flowers yet but certainly some dark looking foliage.
I understand the process of crossing two different types/varieties of spuds which give you F1 seed,but is F2 seed from crossing flowers from within that original F1 cross??

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The likes Cocoon Khuchi Khuchi the variations show up in the colours of the flowers as well,i presume this is common also?

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[quote]I understand the process of crossing two different types/varieties of spuds which give you F1 seed,but is F2 seed from crossing flowers from within that original F1 cross??[/quote]That is right but I also allow for F-2 sib mated venues. In other words, two or more F-1 plants among the same hybrid can be mated or allow to intercross to make that F-2.

[quote]The likes Cocoon Khuchi Khuchi the variations show up in the colours of the flowers as well,i presume this is common also?[/quote]Both of those potato vines shown will have a correlation between pigmentation of the leaves/stems and the flower color

I would expect some nice colored skin and well as flesh. My full sibs of your [I][B]Cocoon Khuchi Khuchi [/B][/I]had lots of berries and it looks like yours will too.
Much as professionals have discovered...Considerable variation in the self-incompatibility within these families was observed. This can be somewhat surprising since the majority of this diploid species (i.e. Solanum stenotomum) are considered to be self-incompatible. Field pollinations resulted in some “self-compatibility” berries. Part of my work is to identify those exceptions and alter the mating systems.

If you don't mind I may want to repost those photos onto my blog. I like the international aspect of my seedling potatoes seeing the world.
It is great to have those time elapsed photos of the same plant. Thanks so much.

Tom Wagner

[quote=Tom Wagner;152034]That is right but I also allow for F-2 sib mated venues. In other words, two or more F-1 plants among the same hybrid can be mated or allow to intercross to make that F-2.

[B]So i could expect some interesting variations come harvest time,but would you see less [/B][B]variation among the F2's than F1's[/B]



If you don't mind I may want to repost those photos onto my blog. I like the international aspect of my seedling potatoes seeing the world.
It is great to have those time elapsed photos of the same plant. Thanks so much.

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[B]Be my guest if you want to use the photos,i'll keep adding progress photos for you to use also if you like[/B],

Much appreciated!
Thanks

I have pulled a few of Lo Owl Skycap and Cocoon Khuchi Khuchi out add to other potatoes and veggies that i'm putting into our local agricultural show day growing competition,

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After 4 months of flowering they are showing no sign slowing down in there flowering and it amazes me how many berries they produce also
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Thanks for showing those pictures and explaining the berries.

I seeded some Medbury TPS again last night and crosses coming out of the Cocoon Khuchi Khuchi and sibling families of Lo Owl Skycap.

Fun to see those pix!!!

Tom Wagner

I really like the lovely deep red colour of Lo Owl Skycap though i havn't cut one open to see what colour it is inside yet.

When i grow the tulbers of the likes Cocoon Khuchi Khuchi next season what size could i expect in relation to the size they got to this season.

I haven't looked at some of your other TPS yet,still about another month to go before the frosts start.

Did you grow any of that TPS from Mystery in your growing last season or is this the first time sowing it,oh and happy birthday for yesterday too Tom

[quote]I really like the lovely deep red colour of Lo Owl Skycap though i havn't cut one open to see what colour it is inside yet.
[/quote]You should see flesh colors ranging from white, pale yellow to deep yellow. The yellows one should also carry some good flavors


[quote]When i grow the tulbers of the likes Cocoon Khuchi Khuchi next season what size could i expect in relation to the size they got to this season.
[/quote]The sizes should increase.
[quote]I haven't looked at some of your other TPS yet,still about another month to go before the frosts start[/quote]Keep us posted

[quote]Did you grow any of that TPS from Mystery in your growing last season or is this the first time sowing it,oh and happy birthday for yesterday too Tom[/quote]Yes, but part of those were frozen in one of my storages and I need to find if they were among the survivors...had not unstacked them to find out yet since I have yet to plant any outdoors. I did sow some more yesterday of the Mystery. I missed so much for being gone two months in Europe last fall when I should have been harvesting while it was still somewhat warm.

The colour of Lo Owl Skycap local must of impressed the judge at our local agricultural show day vegetable growing competition yesterday,even though all the other red skinned potatoes in that section were three times the size,it took out a third prize,

The remaining TPS of Toms harvested yesterday.

Diamond Blue
Tried some in a meal last night and found them to still stay form when cooked,taste 7/10

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Grew "Pam Wagner" but only dug out one very small potato the size of my small finger nail,rather disappointing.

Cara from Tomaat
A form potato again with good taste 7.5/10

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Another one from Tomaat,"Salad Blue" didnt get enough to try,look to be the same as Old Blue which i dropped out growing again from my collection as i thought the taste was poor.

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The tubers of Diamond Blue look good enough for a replant and if the taste and texture hold up...I sure would keep them...pass them around a bit.

Seedlings of potatoes can be a exasperating experience...some sibs will do well and others ....well....back to the drawing board.

Hybrids usually promote a higher percentage selection ratio....and OP's are nearly always produce fewer really good clones.

Since I sow a lot of TPS each year....I am happy to have from 10% to even 1 per cent selected to go on to the next season. I have so many really good clones that it takes some doing to out perform these each year....therefore many otherwise OK clones are dropped for the search of the perfect potato.

The beginning grower of potato clones from TPS may be quite happy with at least half of their seedling hills...but with each years grow-outs ....one becomes more and more the perfectionist.

The University and/or USDA potato breeders are likely to be searching for the one in a million potato clone...And that is almost what it takes to get a clone moved up the ladder from the first year seedling tuber year...on to the second trial, and then to various local and regional trials where most varieties are dropped purposefully in order to name only one or two varieties a year. That process takes about 10 to 15 years...and a lot of things happen in that duration.

I remember walking the fields of nearly harvested potato clones laying in situ when the one row harvester (sometimes two) with all sorts of professional potato folks. One time in North Dakota ...1969...walking with the late Bob Johansen through 60,000 clones on several acres .....I was amazed of how few of some family crosses were kept for another year. In those years I would pick up the rejects for further work. The selection rate that year was not more than about 2%.

Tom Wagner

All and all its been interesting season growing TPS and will grow on the following come spring.
Lo Owl Skycap for i like the yellow flesh types.

Cocoon Khuchi Khuchi for it reminds me so much like Oca and even though they are still rather small,i'm keen to see what size they will end up and how they'll taste this time next year.

Diamond Blue i feel should be a good producer along with being reasonably tasty certainly warrents growing a second season.

Cara will definitely be also grown again,a nice potato.

Nice harvest! I like the skin color of Lo Owl Skycap is a good looking potato. How's the taste?

[quote=wmontanez;164153]Nice harvest! I like the skin color of Lo Owl Skycap is a good looking potato. How's the taste?[/quote]

I agree it is a stunning looking spud alright but only ended up with the one plant good plant from that variety so i didn't really get enough to try.

Something else to look forward too next growing season right? :cute:

Too right wmontanez,as the seasons go by it seems to have become a constant turn over of new varieties while dropping out others that you feel that don't make the grade,for me after thirty years trying so many different potatoes (and i'm sure Tom's head must spin at times) there's only one spud that has had no equal for me so far,well in this part of the world anyway,and it called "Moie moie",the only other tomatovillian who has also tried it that i know of is Tomaat when her and hubby both called by our place in 07.
My mission next growing season is to get Moie moie to set seed which it hasnt as long as i have grown it, with the help and advice from within this forum i hope that i can share this TPS of what i think is a ultimate spud with others.


Moie moie
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Oh that would be awesome! If you get Moie moie TPS I am in if you need volunteers to try your TPS and report back :) how did you get that type?

I am glad I found this forum, you guys have a lot of experience, and I am always looking to learn more.

I am new to potato growing because in the Caribbean ( i grew up in Puerto Rico) they don't grow well and the only type that is sold for cooking is Russet types and Red skin for roasting from USA. But I sent my mom some of my TPS to see if she get one seedling to resist the hot and humid tropical weather and maybe create an adapted local potato.

That is a pretty potato. I am planting some TPS from Tom for the first time this year. I am really looking forward to the "experiment". I have never grown potatoes from tubers (well, I just started some for the first time) and definitely never from seed.

It's nice to see what others are doing....and to learn.

Richard, what in particular is so exceptional about Moie Moie? Flavour, production, appearance (it is lovely) or ???

The TPS I got from Tom just keeps on germinating; I have potted up a dozen, and have another 8 - they just keep showing up every day or so...
Can hardly wait to see what results from these.

Whats so good about Moie moie in my opinion is it has such nice flavour, especially as a new potato.Second,a very good producer for a spud that i would consider a mid season variety, some plants can produce some big yields,best single plant so far five years ago grew a 7 kg crop.Another good feature of this clone is its keeping ability,it can be still eatable long after other varieties have long gone off by the end of spring/early summer as i dont pit mine and are only shed stored.

What are names of the TPS you are growing salix and azgirl??

I have three that Tom sent me. I haven't started them yet. (I am trying the tubers first.) Still trying to decide when to plant the seeds, but I am leaning towards waiting a little bit. I am thinking that if I start them inside and baby them through summer, I will be able to plant out in late Summer/Fall. In a post I started, he provided a great description of them for me. The three he sent me are:

1) French Fingerling/Magic Molly
2) Gracie's Harry/John tom Kaighin
3) Skagit Valley Gold/Thumbel Nose

Are any of these similar to any of yours?

Melissa

i do remember Tom writing about French Fingerling but the others ive not heard of.

What type of climate do have Melissa - eg, frost dates,rainfall etc.

I live in the desert. It's an arid climate. The average yearly rainfall is around 8 inches and we typically have more than 100+ days of temperatures higher than 100 degrees F. Additionally, we average about 5 days during the year where the temperature actually falls below the freezing mark. Last frost date is around Feb. 5th. I've had my tomatoes in the ground since mid-Feb.

Not much survives (thrives) here during the summers. Avg. temp for June-August is 100+ degrees.

:shock:woow, that's one hot area you live in,whats your water supply like for watering??with a climate like that and adequate water you'd get some fantastic growth.

Hottest day ever...122! Miserable. Even the pool felt hot!

I wish I lived in the part of town that my dad does....irrigation from canals, very cheap and effective....but, alas, I don't. With my garden, I have started collecting rain water. Need to get a couple more barrels. Hopefully, it will really help with the water bills this summer. I also am trying to mulch heavily and my husband is going to fix my drip irrigation for me (so I can water directly at the plant line). Last year was my first year gardening and I have expanded (a lot) since then.

SO...more experienced one...should I start my seed now or wait? I love the idea of the unexpected and growing one that does well for me, in my area.

Richard - no wonder you love that potato! 7 kg from one plant is amazing.

For the record; I am growing Tom's TPS #5231309, F4 (Pirampo, Khudi Akita). I gave the first ones (quickest germinated and potted up) a bit of fresh air today, but just a bit as it was only 1 C and we were ducking snow and hail squalls...