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feldon30 March 14, 2007 12:50 PM

Houston -Potato- Progress
 
I planted these about 3 weeks too late, but maybe I will get a few taters before it gets too hot. Growing potatoes in Houston in the season we laughingly call "spring" can be a dubious proposition in some years if it is cold-cold-cold and then hot-hot-hot with a short transition period.

After incorporating several bags of Black Kow compost into my soil, I then dug trenches and put a couple of shovelfuls of the compost into each trench, then sprinkled some Osmocote, then added the cut, sulfured potato pieces. They came up after 2 weeks. But just in the last week, they are taking off like a rocket!

The growth of these Kennebec plants is almost beyond belief for me. My yellows aren't far behind. Check my gallery for more photos.

[img]http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/photos/d/3209-2/CIMG1866-potatoes1.jpg[/img]
3/8

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[img]http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/photos/d/3198-2/CIMG1917-potatoes6-red.jpg[/img]
3/11

[img]http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/photos/d/3207-2/CIMG1922-potatoes8-red.jpg[/img]
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[img]http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/photos/d/3196-2/CIMG1924-potatoes9-red.jpg[/img]
3/13

[img]http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/photos/d/3194-2/CIMG1926-potatoes11-red.jpg[/img]
3/14

gardenmaniac March 14, 2007 01:51 PM

Feldon- great photos! I am always amazed at how quickly they grow once they emerge.

On a side note: I have a non-gardening sister in Houston and I used to go to Texas A&M at Galveston. It's good to see there are some people from Houston at Tomatoville.

Tiffanie

feldon30 March 14, 2007 02:38 PM

I did not mulch the potatoes, since I was planning on hilling them in the next few days. I get the impression I will get all kinds of foliage diseases now. :(

duajones March 14, 2007 04:41 PM

They look great, hopefully you will get a good harvest out of them. Im still hopeful that my container potatoes will give me a decent harvest as well. Having never grown potatoes or seen them growing, I am in awe of how fast they grow. I wanted the kennebec but since my neighbor offered me the red pontiac, I accepted.

Earl March 14, 2007 08:21 PM

Next time dig a deep trench to plant the spuds, that way as you hill you'll get a few more inches of stem and potental spuds.

gardenmaniac March 14, 2007 10:42 PM

Man, you guys are getting a beating! I hope by the time it gets to us (Tallahassee) tomorrow night it will be less organized. It's still early in the season- you might not have to worry about disease just yet...

Tiffanie

feldon30 March 17, 2007 02:37 PM

They've grown quite a bit more since 3/14. I hilled them up yesterday. I guess now it's the race to see if they are ready before the end of April when the heat reduces the output and quality.

feldon30 March 28, 2007 06:22 PM

Boom!

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I will never space them this closely again! :)

FlipTX March 28, 2007 07:50 PM

I wish other plants in my garden would grow as fast as my potatoes did. One week, they were maybe 4 inches above the soil line. The next week, they were four times as tall and wide. A week after that, they looked like green woolly mammoths.

Mine seem to have quit growing vertically now, though. I hope that means they're about to start making potatoes.

feldon30 March 28, 2007 08:45 PM

All the energy stored up in those tubers really makes them grow.

2 of my Kennebec potato plants have buds that will eventually produce the signature purple blossoms. I am figuring 1 month or so for potato production to really kick in.

duajones March 28, 2007 11:35 PM

beautiful feldon! Mine look ok but I have no idea whats going on underneath. i have blooms that look ready to open, but they have signs of maybe blossom drop, if that is possible with taters. Good luck with your harvest!

feldon30 March 29, 2007 12:17 AM

I have blossoms that have not opened after 3 days. Kinda weird.

duajones March 29, 2007 10:05 AM

my blossoms havent opened after 4 or 5 days. almost looks like they are going to drop like tomato blooms do.

FlipTX March 29, 2007 01:15 PM

My plants have buds on them, too. I check every day to see if they've opened, but so far they're being shy. I'm growing Huckleberry from milkranch.com and the pic of the flower looks really pretty. I never knew potatoes made such lovely plants.

feldon30 April 2, 2007 10:50 PM

I guess those blossoms take a while to open! Plus the rain and lack of sun probably threw off the schedule. Anyway, here we go:

[URL="http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/photos/v/memberphotos/morgan/spring2007/CIMG2025-potatoes21-blossom.jpg.html"] [IMG]http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/photos/d/3481-2/CIMG2025-potatoes21-blossom.jpg[/IMG]
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Those pictures on [URL="http://www.milkranch.com/"]milkranch.com[/URL] are quite nice. :)

duajones April 3, 2007 12:55 AM

cool looking, I am worried about mine as they still havent opened.

blatanna April 3, 2007 06:53 PM

Those potatoes look great, will be interested to see a pic of them when you dig them up. How long since you planted them. I have just put mine in.

feldon30 April 3, 2007 10:37 PM

I am not sure exactly when as I did not take great notes, but I believe it was around the 10-12th of February, and they sprouted on March 8th. April 4th for the first blossoms, and I am guessing May 15th or so for first harvest.

houseodessey April 4, 2007 09:50 PM

I'm confused. I've been piling straw on my potatoes as they've grown, leaving a few inches of foliage to soak up the sun. Am I supposed to leave them uncovered until they bloom? They seem to be growing fine this way but any advice is appreciated. Potatoes were an afterthought for me so I'm fairly ignorant about them.

feldon30 April 5, 2007 08:51 AM

I think you want to hill them twice. Once when they are 6-12" tall, and then again when they are 18-24" tall. I hilled them a lot the first time, and then just a few more inches of soil the second time.

What you are doing, essentially hilling a 3rd and 4th time, may lead to fungal problems. Although the straw is much safer in this regard than if you were doing more soil.

I am trying potatoes for the first time this year and I am sure I have a LOT to learn, so I have just been going by the pictures I've seen on the web of mature potato plants. Generally they seem to have at least [B]2 feet[/B] of plant and foliage above the ground in order to have lots of leaf surface area to photosynthesize.

This is a fuzzy picture, but you can see that the space between the plant stem from the surface of the soil (which you've mounded up at least twice) down to the top of the seed potato is where roots come from that produce your potatoes. So you want at least several inches of soil between the seed potato and the surface for the potatoes to grow.

[IMG]http://oregonstate.edu/potatoes/image001.gif[/IMG]

houseodessey April 5, 2007 11:20 AM

Thanks. Mine are about 2' now. I'll let them grow for a bit and see what happens. If I get potatoes, great. If not, I'll have more experience in the fall.

feldon30 April 5, 2007 11:47 AM

If you have 2' of plant above the ground and you are using both loose, well-drained soil and straw mulch, I think you are in good shape. Potatoes are pretty easy to grow from what I can tell. It's really about timing. Dr. Bob Randall's book about Houston Gardening (the actual name of the book is absurdly long) says it's important that early varieties are selected and started at the right time as you really want to harvest before mid-May when the soil gets very hot and starts to ruin the flavor of the potatoes.

Even though my potatoes went in the ground a few weeks after Dr. Randall's suggested planting date for Houston, I think I am still on track to get some spuds before the heat kicks in. I bet this week of lows in the 40's and highs in the 60's is really good for them. We're finally getting some sun today and will get some sun tomorrow before 2 more drenching days.

C'mon guys (or gals), more flowers!! :)

2FrontFeet April 7, 2007 08:01 AM

Feldon, how deep are your raised beds? Did you dig your trenches into the soil under the bed? I thought that one would have to dig down at least a foot or so to have enough room for hilling, without having the soil spill out of the beds.
Great pics

feldon30 April 7, 2007 01:11 PM

Those beds are 12" high. I dug the trench down to about the original soil level, sprinkled some composted manure (not always recommended because of the risk of scab) and Osmocote 14-14-14, and then arranged the cut, sulfured seed potatoes sprout-side up. With my hilling of dirt in the centers about 6" above the height of the beds, I believe I am providing the potatoes with enough space to produce tubers. I may be wrong. Looking at some other people's pictures, it seems that maybe I should be shooting for more like 2' of covered stem/plant?

I'm sure I have a lot to learn. I know I'd like to place an order with Mr. Wagner in September for some exotic varieties. I figure 2 lbs of seed potatoes will be more than enough for my needs.

2FrontFeet April 7, 2007 01:26 PM

I've been toying with the idea of growing potatoes, but thought my beds were too shallow (8"). I've seen some build another square to place on top of an existing bed to allow for hilling.
I just can't seem to figure out when to stop hilling, and once the foliage starts to die back, how much of that foliage is actually still sticking out of the ground?

Had you considered the tire method?
You'll have to let us know what kind of a harvest you end up with.

feldon30 April 11, 2007 01:05 PM

What's the soil like below your 8" beds? If it's unimproved clay that isn't rock-hard, then you can probably count a few inches of it as part of your depth.

I am growing potatoes and beans in my 3' x 16' bed. In order to hill up the potatoes, I had to steal soil from where I intended to plant the beans. So the beans are basically growing in 6" of good soil instead of the usual 12".

[url=http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/photos/v/memberphotos/morgan/spring2007/CIMG2027-mainbeds1.jpg.html] [img]http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/photos/d/3487-2/CIMG2027-mainbeds1.jpg[/img][/url]
(see the bed on the right; I am growing beans in between the two stands of potatoes)

I hilled ONCE and that's it. Ed Smith in his Vegetable Gardener's Bible does not recommend hilling more than once or twice. The hilling is providing a place along the stem for the potatoes to grow out of, and it is to make sure the growing potatoes are covered so they don't turn green from sun exposure. I don't think you really need more than about 1 - 1 1/2 feet of soil above the seed potato, but I could be wrong.


In other news, I wouldn't quite use the word "devastated", but my potato plants have been hit hard by caterpillars. The same caterpillars that were on my brassicas. I went out this morning and drenched everything in a mixture of neem/pyrethrin* and BT liquid at labeled doses (1 tbsp each to 1 gallon water). That should kill the caterpillars now, plus prevent future ones. I will repeat with BT a week from now.


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By themselves, neem oil (from the neem tree), and pyrethrin (from chrysanthemum flowers) have some anti-fungal and on-contact insect control abilities, but combined, they are some of the best controls organic gardeners have. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find them in a single product and in a high enough concentration to be useful. I kept finding either pyrethrin, or synthesized pyrethroids, and then I'd find neem all by itself.

Green Light is a San Antonio based company that produces many organic controls and solutions to pests and disease both in concentrate and pre-mixed spray bottle form. Recently they came out with the perfect mix of neem (70%) and pyrethrin (.25%) in a product called Neem II, which is labeled for roses, but also lists most vegetable crops on the label. Unfortunately it's $10 a bottle and doesn't last long.

I'd noticed that Green Light had a product with an identical formulation (but as a cost-saving concentrate) called Fruit Tree Spray. It's only labeled for fruit trees, but I called them and they told me off-the-record that it is also usable on vegetables. So instead of $10 a bottle for Neem II, I can mix up probably 200 bottles worth for $15.

houseodessey April 12, 2007 09:17 PM

My taters are showing signs of flowering!! I hope there are some spuds under there.

duajones April 13, 2007 10:16 AM

the few blossoms I had dropped off without opening. If you dont have flowers, does that mean you wont have any taters?

gardenmaniac April 13, 2007 10:36 AM

duajones- I posted a pic under the "prettiest little potatoes" thread last night. We never had any flowers this year, but we still get potatoes. We had sub-optimal growing conditions this year and my soil mounding was off. You should have so great potatoes under there. Don't sweat it!

Tiffanie

feldon30 April 13, 2007 12:11 PM

I believe flowers are entirely optional for potatoes, at least with some varieties. Some don't flower.

I know Tom Wagner has gotten into growing potatoes from seed (not seed potatoes) which is pretty unusual in the tuber-dominated seed potato business. Most potatoes out there are hybrids and then just cloned from year to year by saving potatoes, mailing them out to gardeners and farmers, and then we plant them. But getting potatoes to come true from seed is very interesting to me as it would be possible to trade potatoes easily by mail.


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