Multiflora available
 

If there is an interest in this variety for research / breeding, I have approx 10 seeds available of Yellow Centiflor Hypertress, source unknown obtained from local seed library. Please post your request here, and I'll split the pack if needed.

Thought it more appropriate to post here as I don't have enough for a general seed offer this year and it might me missed by the intended audience

- Lisa

Definitely interested. Sending PM.

Did someone say multiflora? I'm interested for sure. PM sent.

I am interested pm sent thanks

Seeds are spoken for. Myself and one of the recipients will be doing a grow out for general distribution next year.

Cool, cant wait.

Definitely of interest and willing to wait. Hopefully those doing the grow-out will be able to post some photos here too.

Absolutely Darren. I'd love to know more about the taste but can't find any references.

- Lisa

I'd be curious to know the actual breeding history of these. I've found only cryptic mentions of it being maybe a three way with wild species. Bred by Al Kapular, I think. He appears to have a number that he calls "centiflor hypertress"

I looked into this several years ago. I grew the red centiflor the last two years. The number of flowers is amazing with the fruit set not as high. I am trying to find pictures, but no luck so far. I got my seeds from caseys heirloom tomatoes of airdrie but I just checked the site and they were not selling them this year. I found this link [URL]http://alanbishop.★★★★★★★★★.com/thread/2244[/URL] which might be helpful. I made several crosses and am planting some f2's this year so we will see what happens.

not sure why the link didn't work but it is alanbishop.★★★★★★★★★.com/thread/2244

It looks like the forum indecency filter is set to exclude "p r o b o a r d s" from polite conversation.

[QUOTE=Dr Alan Kapuler]over decades we have grown hundreds of Lycopersicon cultivars mostly esculentums, some pimpinellifoliums as well as several other species

then one day in the SSE Lycopersicon humboldtii was offered and since a new, to us, species in a common taxon is always interesting we requested and received some seed, from Rosemarie LaCherez, and grew up some plants with yellow-orange cherry sized fruits in clusters like grapes. Some clusters had 30 fruits.

my daughter Kusra who had learned to hand pollinate peas was interested in doing some crosses in tomatoes and picked out the Grape Tress Tomato as a pollen parent

she crossed it with several different cultivars: Stakeless, Skorospelka, Willamette

then one day we were sitting in the greenhouse where an 8' tall vine of Lycopersicon hirsutum had been living=surviving for several years and with its bright yellow flowers held in umbel-like clusters, we considered crossing it with L. humboldtii but since hirsutum had never given us fertile fruits, we used it as a pollen parent onto the Grape Tress Tomato...
and now several years later we have hypertress lines;Red Centiflor and Yellow Centiflor Tomatoes, both cherry tomatoes

both make tresses of flowers that extend on top of the foliage, have soft, long velvety hairs on the flower buds and have so far up to 150 flowers on an inflorescence

the most fruits on a tress is 89

i'm considering spraying some with GA-3 to reach more fruitful tresses

and in further consideration of the hypertress trait, which also appear in the hypertresses of pea tendrils, in the multiplication of the rows in corn cobs, the polypetalous trait in flowers, linking it to branching patterns, number of flowers per node, and maybe the hox genes in animals with the multiplication of ribs and for all of us the multiplication of certain DNA/RNA sequences, duplications and then sometimes reduplications, as has happened with the genetic material of fungi and other eukaryotes.

Read more: [url]http://alanbishop.★★★★★★★★★.com/thread/2244#ixzz3P96WUIBs[/url]
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Thankyou, hope that helps

So it's [I]L. humboldtii [/I]x [I]L. hirsutum[/I]. He's calling [I]humboldtii [/I]"Grape Tress Tomato"? OK. That gave him his Red Centiflor Hypertress. Orange and Yellow Centiflor Hypertress are derived from a cross between Red Centiflor Hypertress and Sungold F1.

We'll see what they look like in 2015!

Thanks for the info maf.

There seems to be some confusion on the web about the true parentage of the Yellow Centiflor. Judging by the fact it seems to have been available for approximately the same length of time as the red version I tend to think it is a sister line from the original species cross, and not one of the second generation outcrosses.

The Orange Centiflor is definitely from the cross of Red Centiflor and Sungold, this is documented with no room for confusion, see [URL="peaceseedslive.blogspot.com"]peaceseedslive.blogspot.com[/URL]. If you look at the way the listings are worded it seems as if the listings for Red Clusterpear and Orange Centiflor were inserted between the pre-existing listings for Red and Yellow Centiflor. Note the wording "both parent species" in the description for Yellow Centiflor; I do not think Dr Kapuler would have used the species designation if one of the parents was the hybrid Sungold, but it makes perfect sense if the listing originally followed the red version.
[QUOTE] Solanum lycopersicum Red Centiflor Hypertress Cherry Tomato 50/5.00
From our cross of L. humboldtii, the Grape Tress Tomato with L. hirsutum arose this unanticipated cultivar with clusters of dozens to hundreds of flowers held above the foliage where the silky hairs of the flower buds resemble insects followed by clusters of large numbers of 1" red sweet fruits that resist cracking and rot.
Solanum lycopersicum Red Clusterpear Hypertress Cherry Tomato 50/4.00
Red pear-shaped fruits on flowers carried above the foliage. These plants make hundreds of flowers and carry abundant fruits on vigorous plants.
Solanum lycopersicum Orange Centiflor Hypertress Cherry Tomato 25/5.00
One of the unusual characteristics of the Centiflor tomatoes is that, unlike most garden tomatoes, they outcross occasionally. This creates problems in seed saving but opportunity for crosses that the bees can do. This new variety arose from a cross of Sungold with Red Centiflor. These are vigorous hypertress vines with remarkably delicious fruits.
Solanum lycopersicum Yellow Centiflor Hypertress Cherry Tomato 50/5.00
Derived from the same cross detailed in the previous listing, this line makes somewhat larger fruit, with a distinctive point on the end of the round bright fruits. While both parent species leading to this cultivar has 5-20 flowers in a spike, these centiflors (meaning 100 flowers) have hypertresses of flowers leading to a unique and distinguishing aspect.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://peaceseedlingsseeds.blogspot.com/[/url]

Look about 2/3 of the way down the list.

I have 60 seeds of Yellow centiflor hyperstress(2014)

I search cherokee purple and cherokee purple variegated

I search also little blue dwarf and lady Iron

PM me

I am in Belgium

I read this to mean they were siblings of the Sungold cross, which is what I read elsewhere but now cant find it. But I agree, it's not clear wording.

"[B][I]Solanum [/I][/B][B][I]lycopersicum [/I]Orange Centiflor Hypertress Cherry Tomato [/B]
One of the unusual characteristics of the Centiflor tomatoes is that, unlike most garden tomatoes, they outcross occasionally.This creates problems in seed saving but opportunity for crosses that the bees can do. This new variety arose from a cross of Sungold with Red Centiflor. These are vigorous hypertress vines with remarkably delicious fruits.
[B][I]Solanum [/I][/B][B][I]lycopersicum [/I]Yellow Centiflor Hypertress Cherry Tomato[/B]
Derived from the same cross detailed in the previous listing, this line makes somewhat larger fruit, with a distinctive point on the end of the round bright fruits. While both parent species leading to this cultivar has 5-20 flowers in a spike, these centiflors (meaning 100 flowers) have hypertresses of flowers leading to a unique and distinguishing aspect."

[QUOTE=ChrisK;447805]I read this to mean they were siblings of the Sungold cross, which is what I read elsewhere but now cant find it. But I agree, it's not clear wording.

"[B][I]Solanum [/I][/B][B][I]lycopersicum [/I]Orange Centiflor Hypertress Cherry Tomato [/B]
One of the unusual characteristics of the Centiflor tomatoes is that, unlike most garden tomatoes, they outcross occasionally.This creates problems in seed saving but opportunity for crosses that the bees can do. This new variety arose from a cross of Sungold with Red Centiflor. These are vigorous hypertress vines with remarkably delicious fruits.
[B][I]Solanum [/I][/B][B][I]lycopersicum [/I]Yellow Centiflor Hypertress Cherry Tomato[/B]
Derived from the same cross detailed in the previous listing, this line makes somewhat larger fruit, with a distinctive point on the end of the round bright fruits. While both parent species leading to this cultivar has 5-20 flowers in a spike, these centiflors (meaning 100 flowers) have hypertresses of flowers leading to a unique and distinguishing aspect."[/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree the wording is unclear and/or misleading; the previous listing is Orange Centiflor but from the description it sounds like the previous listing being referred to is for Red Centiflor, but that is not actually the previous listing...

[QUOTE=ChrisK;447805]which is what I read elsewhere but now cant find it[/QUOTE]
I have also seen the other websites that list the parentage of Yellow Centiflor as including Sungold, but I think they may have been getting their information from this same source material.

From the close to source descriptions I have seen the red and yellow versions were around from the beginning which makes sense given that one of the wild parents was yellow fruited.

Also, in European multiflora tomatoes there seems to be an over-representation of yellow varieties compared to the ratios seen in "normal" tomatoes, again suggesting a yellow fruited parent somewhere in the mix. See Blondkopfchen, Mirabelle, Ildi etc.

is this the same multiflora that invades pastures? I used to hack it with a machete and spray with herbicides to make a few extra bucks years ago in Missouri.

[QUOTE=Stvrob;447906]is this the same multiflora that invades pastures? I used to hack it with a machete and spray with herbicides to make a few extra bucks years ago in Missouri.[/QUOTE]
Hah, no! This is a multiflora-tomato, not a multiflora-rose.

Has anyone bred these tomatoes? I have about 30 f2 plants and they are just beginning to set flowers. I noticed a small percent showing the multiflora trait. Does anyone know what gene or genes are involed?

At least one gene is known to control the multiflora trait.

[url]http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0060288[/url]

I am breeding several lines with it.


[QUOTE=Minnesota Mato;485912]Has anyone bred these tomatoes? I have about 30 f2 plants and they are just beginning to set flowers. I noticed a small percent showing the multiflora trait. Does anyone know what gene or genes are involed?[/QUOTE]

what percent of f2 are you getting to show this trait? Have you bred any multiflora that are bigger then cherry tomatoes?

It seems to segregate in typical single gene proportions in the F2. But I have not done a statistical test.

based on my breeding work it appears to behave like any other recessive gene - non-expressive in the F1, close to 25% in the F2 population, and 100% expressive in the F3.

Disease is running rampant in my home and rural garden this year, but the yellow centiflor hypertress is holding its own, [U]so far[/U]. The rain is still coming and this is a container plant in a semi shady spot so hoping it continues to resist septoria. Production is just getting started, possibly environmental too.

Any others growing the seed from my packet? How is your plant doing?

- Lisa

Is not doing really well (I think my seed came from you) from fusarium. It's a much more compact plant that the red centiflor which is, anecdotally, looking very healthy compared to those surrounding it. Red centiflor is a monster plant.

[QUOTE=greenthumbomaha;486746]Disease is running rampant in my home and rural garden this year, but the yellow centiflor hypertress is holding its own, [U]so far[/U]. The rain is still coming and this is a container plant in a semi shady spot so hoping it continues to resist septoria. Production is just getting started, possibly environmental too.

Any others growing the seed from my packet? How is your plant doing?

- Lisa[/QUOTE]

I'd love to grow some of these out. Red or yellow or Orange

When any become available, please hit me up and I'll place SASE in mail.

Danke!

Gerardo