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Worth1 September 29, 2015 02:18 PM

Replacing handles and other tips.
 
It has come to my attention from looking on line and Yuotube our society and culture has almost completely forgotten how to do things with hand tools.

What is sad is I see kids and adults making so called hand made things and they are not much more hand made than something stamped out of a factory.

They use fancy sanders and such to sharpen things to shape things and to sand things.
The end result many times is something that just doesn't come up to par with what a quality piece should look like.
Don't get me wrong there are some true craftsman and craftswomen out there that deserve recognition.
Most of the time these folks are much better than me.

What I have seen is what I cal the power tool trap people get into.
They want it fast and they want it now.
I am not like this and have discovered that sometimes it takes longer than if you would have correctly used the tools of old to do things.
Today I will try to show you that often you dont need to replace an old knife handle but just need to restore it.
All of it will be done with simple tools anyone can afford.
The most expensive tool you will see used is a good vice.
I have had mine for many years and it has served many tasks.
From delicate gun work, holding things to weld and even on the drill press.
Sometimes I have even used it to keep things from blowing away.
Mine is an old American made 5-1/2 inch Craftsman.
Why I like to do stuff like this is because it isolates me from the problems of the world and gets me totally involved in what I am doing.
It is relaxing.
I dont claim to be a master at any of my work but I do feel I do somewhat okay.
As always if you have questions, advice or something to contribute please feel free to do so.
Enjoy.:)
Worth.

Worth1 September 29, 2015 02:30 PM

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Here you will see regular push filing and draw filing and the proper angle to hold the file.
If you are right handed hold the handle in your right hand and the file at about 45 degrees and push the file along the surface to be filed.
Draw filing creates an extremely smoth surface and the file is held at a 90 degree angle to the work and pulled towards you.
The handle will be on the left side.
You can put the handle on the right side and push.
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Finished surface after draw filing.
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Worth1 September 29, 2015 03:40 PM

After using the file I like to use 240 grit sandpaper and then 400 or 600 grit.
Sometimes I use 0000 steel wool at the end.
What ever you do once it is sanded or wooled you should have a polished shiny look to the wood.
At this time many people think it is time to oil or varnish the wood.
Nothing could be worse to do in many cases.
You will find yourself putting on more and more coats to get that nice smooth look.
What I and many others do is what is called to whisker the wood.
What you do is wipe the wood down with a damp cloth and let it dry.
This will raise wood fibers that you dont see as they are embedded in the wood from sanding.
After it dries you will again feel as thought the wood wasn't sanded.
Sand or wool again and re-whisker the wood.
Keep doing this until you get no more whiskers.
Sand or wool one more time, clean and now you are ready for the oil.
The hickory handles I am doing lake about 3 whiskerings.
Some woods you will never get it to happen it is just too soft and open grained.

The oil I use is raw tung oil with japan drier or turpentine in it.
DO NOT let the rags you use to do this sit in a pile they can and will catch on fire.
I keep mine in a closed jar.

What they sell at homedepot lowes and other places called tung oil finish is not tung oil.
I remember my first experience with it, what a nightmare.:lol:
It isn't that it is a bad product it is the fact that I was following procedures for real tung oil.
Raw tung oil is non toxic and smells like nuts, because it is made from tung tree nuts.;)

Worth

bjbebs September 29, 2015 04:22 PM

Worth
Great heads up on the turpentine soaked rags. It's easy to forget and get in a hurry. A good friend who guides in Alaska just lost many sleds, wheelers and 2 buildings to fire. He had changed oil on equipment, threw the rags in a pile and hopped in a plane to pick up a client. He was not gone long and was able to save his lodge. A $200,000 accident. Yes spontaneous combustion happens more times than it should. Sorry to get off topic.

Worth1 September 29, 2015 05:14 PM

[QUOTE=bjbebs;507013]Worth
Great heads up on the turpentine soaked rags. It's easy to forget and get in a hurry. A good friend who guides in Alaska just lost many sleds, wheelers and 2 buildings to fire. He had changed oil on equipment, threw the rags in a pile and hopped in a plane to pick up a client. He was not gone long and was able to save his lodge. A $200,000 accident. Yes spontaneous combustion happens more times than it should. Sorry to get off topic.[/QUOTE]

No need to apologize it is directly on topic.
They had a report on one of those night time TV shows about rags catching on fire.
The stupid part was they inadvertently gave kids the formula to do it by doing it on TV.
This stopped some stores from selling Japan drier for a while.:(

Worth

Worth1 September 29, 2015 05:27 PM

One of the advantages of the oil finish is if done correctly it is far superior to modern varnish Poly type coatings.
You want to mix 50% oil to 50% paint thinner or turpentine.
This will allow the oil to soak into the wood.
Do this several times and then start applying 100% oil in very thin coatings and wipe any excess away.
This can even be done on food grade products as the turpentine will evaporate and leave only the non toxic oil.
Repair and maintenance is easy and you have preserved the wood.
Unlike Poly coatings that only cover the outside and are almost impossible to repair.
Contrary to popular belief gun stocks done this way are very stable but be prepared to put on around 100 coats of oil depending on how dense the wood is.

Worth

Worth1 September 29, 2015 05:38 PM

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One more knife to go at the very bottom.
Every day the get a coat of oil on them.
Worth
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AlittleSalt September 29, 2015 06:16 PM

Out in the barn the other day, I found my knife like the 5th one down in post #7 - its handle has been wrapped with black electrical tape... :shock::no:

Worth1 September 29, 2015 06:42 PM

[QUOTE=AlittleSalt;507030]Out in the barn the other day, I found my knife like the 5th one down in post #7 - its handle has been wrapped with black electrical tape... :shock::no:[/QUOTE]

Salt I used to come home for years and find these knives siting in the sink soaking and rusting.
It would tick me off to no end.:evil:
Mind you it wasn't my wife doing it.:)
I took me years to realized people that were raised in a stainless knife world have no business with a carbon steel knife.:lol:
So what did I do, I have a visitors knife.
A cheap Betty Crocker serrated knife.

To this very day when I go to visit this one person I bring my own drinking glasses one for water and one for beer and my own sharp kitchen knife.
I hate a dull knife I cant stand to see people use one and I wont drink out of plastic a bottle or a can.
I can taste plastic and I got a bee in my mouth from drinking out of a can.
I also bring my own water because theirs is horrible.
Very weird.
Worth

AlittleSalt September 29, 2015 07:31 PM

I still treat our silverware/knives like they have wooden handles and blades that can rust. I guess it's just a habit from back when.

You just reminded me of a friend of mine on the brick job. It was Summer-HOT and the homeowner brought out some Cokes. Being polite, we accepted the drinks. I put mine in an ice chest after the homeowner left. My friend opened his and drank half of it. We ran a course of brick and he went to drink the other half. A bee stung him inside his throat! He was in PAIN.

You know, It's funny what people eat and drink out of. My wife likes Styrofoam cups - not store bought in a pack, but the ones you get at the local quickie marts with a drink. I finally got rid of our glasses to make more room for her cups. We have holiday sets, but they sit in a box most of the year. Me, I'll drink out of whatever is clean.

I've seen people bring into steakhouses - dirty looking plastic mugs. At first I thought they were bringing in alcohol, but they never acted like it was. (There were a lot of dry counties around here until just a few years ago).

Misfit October 1, 2015 11:51 AM

Nice collection of knives Worth; are they Ontario Knife Co. (Old Hickory)? I love how patina develops on carbon steel blades with age.

I've never tried tung oil, but love working with linseed on my wooden handle tools. It has a calming effect, kinda like a walk in the garden. ;)

-Jimmy

Worth1 October 1, 2015 01:18 PM

[QUOTE=Misfit;507215]Nice collection of knives Worth; are they Ontario Knife Co. (Old Hickory)? I love how patina develops on carbon steel blades with age.

I've never tried tung oil, but love working with linseed on my wooden handle tools. It has a calming effect, kinda like a walk in the garden. ;)

-Jimmy[/QUOTE]

Jimmy they are made by forgecraft.
I used to use linseed but went to pure real tung oil some time ago.
The reason is linseed oil isn't water resistant and tung oil is.
Linseed oil goes rancid tung oil doesn't.
Tung oil is fantastic once you figure out how to use it.
Here is a link to tung oil.
Worth
[URL="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAAahUKEwjF4O3T4aHIAhUMkw0KHeMMDT0&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.canadianwoodworking.com%2Fget-more%2Ftung-oil-debunking-myths&usg=AFQjCNGikLmu2E954yr6xCCpEkk1EuSzmA&sig2=Y291RsNr9ART53iKRQsalg"]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAAahUKEwjF4O3T4aHIAhUMkw0KHeMMDT0&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.canadianwoodworking.com%2Fget-more%2Ftung-oil-debunking-myths&usg=AFQjCNGikLmu2E954yr6xCCpEkk1EuSzmA&sig2=Y291RsNr9ART53iKRQsalg[/URL]


This is who I buy it from it isn't cheap.
[url]http://www.realmilkpaint.com/products/oils/[/url]

Worth1 October 1, 2015 03:31 PM

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A little free form art from mesquite wood.
I had no idea where I was going with it.:lol:
I call it rustic spoon done several years ago.
There is also a mesquite stump I am working on.
Worth

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Worth1 October 2, 2015 02:45 PM

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Let's start from scratch, here I have a 27 inch machete that needs dressing up and a new handle.
I have three choices walnut mesquite or white oak.
Worth
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Worth1 October 2, 2015 04:04 PM

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Working by myself hanging large heavy electrical panels I have learned how to make holes match up.
One of the most important things to have are what the call centering bits.
You will see one in the first picture.
Regular bits flex these don't.
They are also ground for standard counter sinking.
I think the rest is self explanatory.
I like do do this in the beginning in case I mess up something and don't have to throw away a bunch of work.
Worth
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Worth1 October 2, 2015 04:06 PM

Duplicate post.

taboule October 2, 2015 05:50 PM

Repurposing scrap HW flooring, my type of thing.

For the counter sinking statement you made, I assume the flat sides will be on the outside (away from the tang) so you use the countersinks to rivet the pins into? In which case you'll have to grind/cut/rip away the grooved faces of the scales.

Or use the flat sides on the inside, but then why need the countersinks (room for epoxy?) and then sanding the grooved sides may be more work?

I know I'm getting ahead of your tutorial, but that is part of the fun, no? ;>)

Worth1 October 2, 2015 06:44 PM

[QUOTE=taboule;507370]Repurposing scrap HW flooring, my type of thing.

For the counter sinking statement you made, I assume the flat sides will be on the outside (away from the tang) so you use the countersinks to rivet the pins into? In which case you'll have to grind/cut/rip away the grooved faces of the scales.

Or use the flat sides on the inside, but then why need the countersinks (room for epoxy?) and then sanding the grooved sides may be more work?

I know I'm getting ahead of your tutorial, but that is part of the fun, no? ;>)[/QUOTE]
No worries I didn't go down far enough for the counter sink part to hit just far enough to start a little hole.
The grooved faces of the flooring will be planed away with a brass smoothing plane and flattened with a file by way of the draw file method then scraped with a straight edge.
Worth

Worth1 October 2, 2015 07:00 PM

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Some might notice I made a boo boo and had the wood turned the wrong way when I drilled the holes.
Not a big deal.
You will see the smoothing plane and a spoke shave in the pictures.
You will also see me cheating and using the drill press to cut out the shape of the handle.
I keep the wood thick so I can rough out the shapes and not have to worry about splintering and ruining the work.
Worth
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Worth1 October 2, 2015 08:50 PM

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Seems a shame that all of this is going to get cut off but I need to know what I can get away with.
10 lines per inch on top and 20 line French checkering on the bottom.
I think hand cut wood checkering is one of the hardest things I have ever tried to do.
When I feel I am good enough I will do a gun stock.
Until then I will just keep practicing on stuff like this.
One mess up and its over.:(
Worth
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bower October 4, 2015 03:45 PM

Nice work with the knife handles, Worth. 8-) I really like your rustic spoon too! :cute: What kind of carving tools did you use for that?

Worth1 October 4, 2015 05:40 PM

[QUOTE=bower;507619]Nice work with the knife handles, Worth. 8-) I really like your rustic spoon too! :cute: What kind of carving tools did you use for that?[/QUOTE]

Thank you very much.:D

Homemade carving tools, I will save any piece of scrap I can get my hands on.
From wore out thread cutting dies to discarded files and drill bits, I pick everything up.
The spoon was gouged out with a wore out file I ground into a carving gouge and scraper.

Yesterday I went to Lowes first then Home Depot looking for knife rivets to no avail.
Since Lowes has nothing but POS Kobalt files that you need a special Kobalt handle for I left with nothing and went to the other place.

I ended up buying brass machine screws and nuts.
Then last night I had a brainstorm while in bed as to how to hide the ugly things.
It just so happens that 9MM Parabellum shell casing fits the holes I drilled perfectly.

There has been a ton of work on the handles since my last set of pictures and still more but it is getting there.
Worth

Hellmanns October 4, 2015 06:31 PM

Nice work, Worth!

I have used most everything for rivets. Lowes or Home Depot, should have copper nails or brazing rods.

bower October 4, 2015 06:47 PM

Making your own tools... well that is the height of true craftsmanship. :yes:
I've made rivets from wire, to join two pieces of metal - but they were a small gauge compared to those knife rivets. The key is to drill a hole exactly the size of your wire (brass, copper, soft metals). Then it's easy to make a rivet head that'll hold it, with your hammer. Easy as in, practice, practice.... :dizzy:;) But the heavier gauge for a knife rivet wouldn't be cheap afaik, or maybe not easy to find either.:?!?: Scrap metal places can turn up all kinds of stuff, but it's likely to be hard, you'd have to anneal it to make it work...

Can't wait to see the pix how your machete turns out.:)
That checker work is something, too.

Worth1 October 4, 2015 08:50 PM

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Thank you Hellmanns and Bower.
Here it is I hope it doesn't look like a board on a blade.:lol:

I took a pile of photos but here is what I did after a bunch of blind holes and so on.
By chance I found a piece of walnut in the shed.
I used an exacto to cut it out then a pile of filing.
Fist coat of oil the other plugs will go in later.

Worth

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Hellmanns October 4, 2015 08:53 PM

Your an artist, worth!

PhilaGardener October 4, 2015 08:59 PM

Great handwork!

bower October 4, 2015 10:05 PM

Wow! That looks great! :D Are those the casings on the checkered side? They look super cool. :roll:8-) I mean, what a scary machete! :lol::cute:

Worth1 October 4, 2015 10:34 PM

Thank you every one it was a lot of work but proves it can be done without fancy electric tools like belt sanders.
I cant tell you how many times I have used the smoothing plane.
I use it instead of a router on the face frame of cabinets.

Yes the plugs are the 9MM shells.
They also made a nice bushing for the lanyard hole in the end of the handle.
Under the plugs are brass nuts.

Going to look for some rimmed 38 special for the other side.

Worth

AlittleSalt October 5, 2015 11:44 AM

It looks really nice Worth. I wouldn't have thought of using the 9mm shells.


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