Crnkovic Yugoslavian x Jaune Flammee
 

In 2017 I grew Jaune Flammee for the first time and my son and I LOVED its flavor. I thought boy I wouldn't mind a larger say 6-8oz version of it. I was also growing Crnkovic Yugoslavian in 2017 and was wowed by its production, vigor, and flavor. So I did some lazy crossing, placing the anther cones from Jaune Flammee on some emasculated CY flowers (see my brief thread about my lazy cross--which I believe took and wasn't self pollination [URL="http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=45426"]http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=45426[/URL])

I saved seed from both crossed tomatoes separately and will grow 1 plant from each crossed fruit in 2018. Assuming the crosses both took I suspect both F1 plants should be nearly identical. Room is my major limiting factor, but at this point I'll probably grow something like 6 F2s in 2019 and see what turns up. I'll follow something if I'm very happy with an F2, otherwise might screen another batch of F2s in 2020. My goals are simple and I'm more excited about the adventure than the exact end outcome.

I'll update this thread through the process! I'm excited and doing some test germination on my seeds now.

Cool, signing up for the updates. :)
I know Jaune Flammee is a Beta orange, KY is pink afaik. Beta is not expressed in yellow fruit but it will show through in a red fruit even in heterozygous state, so a Beta/- F1 would be orange-red. Assuming it will show in pink as well, could make for an interesting color in the F1. 8-)

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[B][FONT=Garamond][SIZE=3]Please do! And be sure to post copious pictures as well.
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:D

A larger Jaune Flammee is a worthy goal! :yes:

Any updates on your cross? How has germination gone so far? Looking forward to your results!

Seeds were sown Monday night, nothing to report yet. I'm excited to see the F1 this year!

Now this a cross I will follow,for the following reason

I was the original source of Crnkovic Yugoslavian,you can check Tania's website to confirm that.

And Jaune Flammee I also know very well since back in 1992 4 of us were contacted by Norbert in France, he wanted to trade with us. We got together to be sure we each asked for different varieties, and it was Bill Minkey who got the Jaune Flammee one,I got one of the other Jaune ones,I think it was Jaune Negib, but I'd have to confirm that.

We shared the seeds we got and we were all SSE members, so SSE listed them and I was the only one who was doing seed offers so almost all of them were listed that way In the Annual Yearbook.

Why upsize a variety that was a great variety,stll is, at it's normal size.

The only other variety I know of where that was done deliberately is this one.

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Neves_Azorean_Red[/url]

I just checked my 2017 SSE Yearbook, not my 2018 one which is a farce IMO, and Yes, Bill Minkey is still listing Jaune Flammee, as are several others. So Good for Bill and the others as well .:)


Carolyn

There's some good links about genetics in this thread: [url]http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=31680[/url]

This is one that I'm interested in too, so I'll just tag along for the show.

Potted up at first true leaf. Wide baby plants. Germination was excellent. These are from separately crossed fruits in case one wasn’t emasculated early enough and is a self.

They look very nice. I bet that you are excited about these. I am....

Best wishes with your F1 grow out, it’s exciting and although seeds are mainly the goal, I bet your F1 will be delicious as well.
Will be fun to watch the progress and the F2 will be interesting
KarenO

A couple of years ago we crossed Green Giant with Juanne Flammee. The F1 produced a nice 3-5 oz orange tomato with perfect shape, but the f2's had the whole tomato color spectrum, I never seen such segregation. Sherry has it at F4 on a yellow choice, I have a few versions of F3's laying around from big orange beefsteaks to small red tomatoes.
I think you will enjoy tinkering with that cross

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Why upsize a variety that was a great variety,stll is, at it's normal size.
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While that is a goal, like I said I'm more excited in the journey than the exact outcome. Will I get a larger Jaune Flammee exactly, highly unlikely. But I think the potential for some tasty unique tomatoes exists.

[QUOTE=MissS;696331]They look very nice. I bet that you are excited about these. I am....[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KarenO;696340]Best wishes with your F1 grow out, it’s exciting and although seeds are mainly the goal, I bet your F1 will be delicious as well.
Will be fun to watch the progress and the F2 will be interesting
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I'm glad to hear it, I'm excited to share my results on the thread!

[QUOTE=AKmark;696346]A couple of years ago we crossed Green Giant with Juanne Flammee. The F1 produced a nice 3-5 oz orange tomato with perfect shape, but the f2's had the whole tomato color spectrum, I never seen such segregation. Sherry has it at F4 on a yellow choice, I have a few versions of F3's laying around from big orange beefsteaks to small red tomatoes.
I think you will enjoy tinkering with that cross[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a fun cross--I'm hoping to get some similar to JF, but larger, and also excited for surprises and given the two parents I'm thinking tasty surprises.

Both plants are healthy and were rather large for 6 week old plants. Nice and warm this week!

I like the idea of the cement blocks for a raised bed. I love all the inventive ways of creating raised beds. The blocks can be added to, rearranged or moved as your garden changes.

They look very strong and healthy!
KarenO

They look great and still rather wide? Do you think so? This is a great journey!

They are some of my biggest plants, hybrid vigor perhaps. I'm not growing CY this year--just too many others to choose from, but IIRC it was a big plant too.

Crnkovic has one of the highest vigour of OP tomatoes. Also hybrids made with it have high vigour. I am also making some but keeping them at F1 due to qualities that I might not recover later on (also I don't have the space to grow many for a good selection)

Intense heat here, keeping things well watered. Vegetative growth has been very fast. Two very healthy plants and the first indeterminate to open a flower!

Looking great. :) F1s can be crazy vigorous. I haven't grown CV but JF is a great early plant and such a reliable fruiter. Bet you will have a perfect set. :yes:

Both are setting fruit! One of the earliest in the garden!!

Looking great! Can't wait to see how this one looks!

Fruit set and plants below. The fruit truss makes me think the cross did indeed take. It looks more like father Jaune Flammee than mother CY. Plants are very healthy and largest in the garden. Have had to spray copper once, staying ahead of foliage issues hopefully.

The F1 Twins are to the tops their cages already, healthy and flowering like mad. Each plant has about 30 fruit set, the only plant that has more is Sungold. At this stage of development they are about 4-5 times larger than Sungold.

A cloudy day made for a good shot of plant vigor and fruit set. Counted just over 30 on each plant!

Nice! :) Hope they're tasty. You will not be short of F2 seeds. :twisted:

Excitement builds! We’ve got blush!

Telltale Beta/- F1 will blush to orange first then finally orange-red. :) Love this blushing time of season. :yes: