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tarpalsfan March 2, 2018 11:30 AM

Are you growing gourds this season?
 
[SIZE=4]My list:
Thai Extra Long Sponge Gourd (edible)
Bitter Melon (edible)
Snake (edible)
Small Spoon (for fun)


maybes:

Sub Mini's, even though I had bad luck with Jewelry Gourds. (to craft)

Mini Warties (for fun)

Bottle (craft)

or Martin House (craft)

We all love tomatoes and peppers.:D But I love pumpkin's and gourds the most...;)To much fun!


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Ann123 March 2, 2018 12:26 PM

I grew bottle gourds last year for the first time. I don't have a greenhouse (live in a cool climate) and had little hopes. But they did very well.
I will grow loofah this year. I hope it will set some fruit. I've heard of others that they did not harvest a single loofah, but I'll try anyway.

linzelu100 March 2, 2018 12:28 PM

I'm trying for my first time with birdhouse.

tarpalsfan March 2, 2018 03:07 PM

[QUOTE=Ann123;686648]I grew bottle gourds last year for the first time. I don't have a greenhouse (live in a cool climate) and had little hopes. But they did very well.
I will grow loofah this year. I hope it will set some fruit. I've heard of others that they did not harvest a single loofah, but I'll try anyway.[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=4]I like Bottle Gourds, they are easy to grow and dry nicely.

Start your luffa inside. It is pretty easy, just soak your seed in a cup until they sprout, then carefully transfer them to a large peat pot. Keep the seed and transplants warm, don't let them dry out. Plant them when you plant your Bottle Gourds. I hope that you get some Luffa. Don't be afraid to eat them while the gourd is still small and tender. It is wonderful. One of my favorite vegetables. :)Thanks for the reply!

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Zeedman March 3, 2018 12:06 AM

Weather permitting, I hope to grow cucuzza (opo). It did incredibly well last year, in spite of a relatively cool summer... but it needs to be planted early to succeed here.

Two varieties of bitter melon. One is the Japanese variety Abashi, the other will be one of the two Chinese varieties I have been trying to de-hybridize. Both of the Chinese varieties have undergone several generations of selection, and are nearly stable.

Will probably grow [I]Cyclanthera explodens[/I] this year, a close relative of Achocha. The small immature fruits are "edible", but rather tasteless. The main reason I grow it is as a novelty; the ripe fruits explode with the slightest touch, expelling the seeds violently. I have to wear goggles when harvesting seed.

Ann123 March 3, 2018 04:00 AM

I'll start them inside, just as the birdhouse bottle gourds.
My gourds from last year are almost dry. The kids are excited to turn them into birdhouses.

tarpalsfan March 3, 2018 12:06 PM

[QUOTE=Zeedman;686772]Weather permitting, I hope to grow cucuzza (opo). It did incredibly well last year, in spite of a relatively cool summer... but it needs to be planted early to succeed here.

Two varieties of bitter melon. One is the Japanese variety Abashi, the other will be one of the two Chinese varieties I have been trying to de-hybridize. Both of the Chinese varieties have undergone several generations of selection, and are nearly stable.

Will probably grow [I]Cyclanthera explodens[/I] this year, a close relative of Achocha. The small immature fruits are "edible", but rather tasteless. The main reason I grow it is as a novelty; the ripe fruits explode with the slightest touch, expelling the seeds violently. I have to wear goggles when harvesting seed.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=4]I don't know why, as I can grow other gourds just fine, but Cucuzzi doesn't well here. Edible Snake does great here. I also like Tambuli gourds.
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Spitting cucumbers! How cool! I saw them on t.v. before.
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I saw Fig Leaved gourd seed in the Sand Hill Preservation Center. My mind is saying maybe...then where are you gonna put it!
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I am also thinking about try Jewelry gourd seed again. But man, I tried that before. I found Q.F.G at Silver Dollar City during the craft show. Bought 2 or 3 pack of seed. Not 1 germinated. :no: I craft the "spinners:
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About your bitter melon. I am trying the Abashi because it is supposed to be a 'mild' bitter melon. My favorite was Green Skin though. I grow it every other year, even if I didn't eat the gourds, I'd for the vine and lovely little yellow flowers!
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I read that you aren't supposed to eat it raw, do you know why not? (I do, cooked too):D[/SIZE]

tarpalsfan March 3, 2018 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=Ann123;686786]I'll start them inside, just as the birdhouse bottle gourds.
My gourds from last year are almost dry. The kids are excited to turn them into birdhouses.[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=4]I start the slower maturing gourds inside too.
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A question, I hope you don't think I am silly, but you know to scrape the skin off your dried gourds before you craft them? I wouldn't want your children to create masterpieces and have the paint peel off. :D[/SIZE]

tarpalsfan March 3, 2018 12:26 PM

[QUOTE=linzelu100;686649]I'm trying for my first time with birdhouse.[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=4]Cool! I bet they do great:) Let me know how they do for you:):D[/SIZE]

Ann123 March 3, 2018 04:48 PM

Maybe it will get more beautiful when the paint peels of, like a more abstract work.
But I don't want paint in my garden. I prefer neutral colors in a garden. We will drill a hole and attach a little stick.
Maybe we'll paint one or two for indoors but the others will be birdhouses hung in a tree.
Thanks for your advice :-)

Zeedman March 3, 2018 07:32 PM

[QUOTE=tarpalsfan;686835][SIZE=4]I don't know why, as I can grow other gourds just fine, but Cucuzzi doesn't well here. Edible Snake does great here. I also like Tambuli gourds.[/SIZE]
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I'm surprised cucuzzi does poorly there, especially if you grow other hard-shelled gourds.

[I]Spitting cucumbers! How cool! I saw them on t.v. before.[/I]

There are spitting cucumbers, and there are exploding cucumbers... mine are the ones that look like a fat question mark with soft spines. It is important not to confuse [I]C. explodens[/I] (which is edible) with [/SIZE][SIZE=4][I]Ecballium elaterium[/I] (which is poisonous). [I]C. explodens[/I] has vigorous, ivy-like climbing vines.

[I]I saw Fig Leaved gourd seed in the Sand Hill Preservation Center. My mind is saying maybe...then where are you gonna put it![/I]

You are fortunate to have a climate to its liking, since it is a perennial where the ground does not freeze. MONSTROUS vines, though... easily 20-25' long, and they will climb over anything that they encounter. I grew it here, but the vines are photo-period sensitive, and will not bloom until days approach 12 hours in length; so no ripe squash here.

Chayote squash is another perennial that would probably do well in your climate. I grew it when I lived in California, it was probably the most interesting & rewarding vegetable I ever grew.
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About your bitter melon. I am trying the Abashi because it is supposed to be a 'mild' bitter melon. My favorite was Green Skin though. I grow it every other year, even if I didn't eat the gourds, I'd for the vine and lovely little yellow flowers![/I]

I mainly grow trellises of BM & other gourds between rows of different beans (as part of my isolation strategy) and as wind breaks. I do like the sweet scent of the flowers, though... and the local bees really love them. DW eats some of the melons to help with diabetes. We like the milder ones also, although I grow a small, very bitter variety that some of our Filipino friends like to pickle.

I had to look several times to find Baker Creek's bitter melon listings... didn't expect to find them listed under "melons". Big Top looks like one of the Chinese varieties I've been trying to de-hybridize - if similar, it is one of the mildest that I've tried. Some of mine reached 2 pounds last year. Taiwan White looks interesting, I'll probably order some before it runs out, and may even grow it this year. Been looking for a white variety for some time, and have only found hybrids... if it is as mild & as large as they say, it could become one of my regulars.

[I]I read that you aren't supposed to eat it raw, do you know why not? (I do, cooked too)[/I]:D

There is a lot of conflicting information out there concerning raw BM. Some claim it is poisonous raw, other claim to juice it raw. One of our friends told us that [/SIZE][SIZE=4][SIZE=4]the top-shaped BM was so mild, [/SIZE]she enjoyed eating raw. We only eat it cooked or pickled. There is just as much conflicting info about the sweet red gel that surrounds the ripe seeds.
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tarpalsfan March 5, 2018 11:33 AM

[QUOTE=Ann123;686871]Maybe it will get more beautiful when the paint peels of, like a more abstract work.
But I don't want paint in my garden. I prefer neutral colors in a garden. We will drill a hole and attach a little stick.
Maybe we'll paint one or two for indoors but the others will be birdhouses hung in a tree.
Thanks for your advice :-)[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=4]I always use craft acrylics when I paint my gourds. But my husband grew Bottle Gourds many years ago, before he knew to scrape the dried gourds. He painted and decoupaged the gourds. And the artwork did peel, it is still pretty, and we still have those gourds.
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A few years ago, I bought a gourd seed mix from The Sand Hill Preservation Center, and some of the seeds where Chinese Bottles, when I scraped the dried gourds, the mold that grew on the skin made some beautiful mottled patterns on the gourds. They were mostly visible on the damp gourds. However, a clear protective coating would bring out that fantastic pattern.
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I hope you don't think I am being nosy, but have to crafted gourds before? :)
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Ann123 March 5, 2018 12:39 PM

No, not nosy :-)
I haven't. Gourds aren't 'usual' here. I have seen them in ethnic shops or museums but that is about it.

Ann123 March 5, 2018 01:12 PM

Can I be nosy too ;-)?
The mini gourds you mention, are they the cute miniature gourds that are sold on the not trustable Chinese shops ([url]https://goo.gl/images/Htc4CW[/url])?
I always assumed they were fake. I've seen them on Pinterest too.
Are they really that small?

habitat_gardener March 6, 2018 08:16 PM

Re figleaf gourd, C. ficifolia: I grew it for a couple years at a community garden, and it was quite vigorous. The fruits have a thin, hard shell and last a couple years. I still have one that's 2.5 years old. I enjoyed baking slices of the immature fruit (they are still quite large, 2-6 pounds) like a summer squash, but no one else in my household liked them. The mature ones look like white spaghetti squash inside, with black seeds, and are bland enough that you could cook anything with them.

A funny story: A few years ago, a neighbor at the community garden gave me a squash plant. She did not know the name in English. The fruits never seemed quite right; when they looked big enough, they felt like styrofoam, and I thought I'd waited too long to pick them, so I put them in the compost. Since they looked distinctive, however, I looked around at the farmers' market to try to ID the variety. It turned out it was a luffa/loofah!! So I retrieved the one in the compost, which by then had started to decay, washed away the seeds and minimal pulp, and voila! A homegrown luffa sponge.

Zeedman, I'm curious why chayote was the most interesting and rewarding vegetable you've ever grown.

Zeedman March 7, 2018 12:54 AM

Fig leaf gourd is a.k.a. Shark Fin Melon, there are some interesting recipes under that name. Although the squash did not mature here, I did get several large immature squash, and was able to try one of the shark fin melon soups... it was quite good. Not good enough for me to grow it again, though; there are tons of things that would make better use of such a large space. I probably got more use out of the vine tips, which while slightly bitter, were not bad.

[QUOTE=habitat_gardener;687591]Zeedman, I'm curious why chayote was the most interesting and rewarding vegetable you've ever grown.[/QUOTE]

To start with, just the novelty. I was living in San Jose at the time, my starts came from a Bay area Master Gardener, who was growing a rather spiny - but large fruited - type. As I recall, I had a guide to growing chayote at the time (I think it was from UC Davis) which was helpful. It was unusual to plant the whole fruit (I started the first two as transplants) and watch the vines emerge vigorously from below. The site took special preparation; I erected a large horizontal trellis (about 10' X 30') 6 feet above the ground, with one plant on each end, and strings to get the first shoots started upwards. The vines spread quickly & completely covered the trellis, we put lawn chairs underneath to enjoy the shade.

Blooming came very late in the summer, when the growth was dense - and the entire plant broke into bloom at once. The squash followed, hanging down below the trellis as they grew larger - really easy to find & pick from below. That first year we "only" had about 25 squashes per plant... and we let them get much larger than market chayote. They were much sweeter too, almost melon-like; we cooked a lot of them peeled & cubed as a vegetable, much more delicious than zucchini.

Part of the novelty was that chayote is a [I]perennial[/I] squash - and it gets stronger in successive seasons. The second year the vines were much more vigorous... we had to extend the trellis width to 20', the vines still overran it & leaped the fence onto the neighbor's shrubbery (they let them grow when I told them they would be getting a lot of squash). We had over 100 squash that year, and were giving them away like zucchini. In Year 3 (the last year before we moved to San Diego), we had over 150 squash from the two plants! The sight of all those squashes hanging below the trellis was incredible.

The young shoots in Spring, and the roots (if you choose to dig them) are also edible. We tried the shoots (which were good), but never wanted to risk disturbing the roots.

The vines, once started, needed very little care (except to turn them back once they reached the edge of the trellis), and had no problems with bugs or diseases. Last year was a good one here for cucuzzi, and the vines, when loaded, were an impressive sight... but they are nowhere as rewarding, or as versatile, as chayote. It would take a heated hoop house here to extend the season enough to grow chayote, but I have been seriously considering it. I doubt the roots would survive the long dormancy of our winters, though.

tarpalsfan March 8, 2018 03:34 PM

[QUOTE=Ann123;687260]No, not nosy :-)
I haven't. Gourds aren't 'usual' here. I have seen them in ethnic shops or museums but that is about it.[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=4]The reason I ask if you have crafted gourds before, not to be an old hen, and not to scare you, but those dried gourd shells are hard and smooth, even though I have enjoyed crafting gourds for quite awhile, I have to admit that I have cut the...( add vulgar exclamation here )...out of myself. :evil: And there might be dust...outside will take care of that.
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Stuff awaits inside the gourd too. Spongy white,satiny...stuff...and more grainy stuff that the seeds grew on. Luckily, since your making bird houses, that 'stuff' can stay inside your gourds, the birds don't care. Just shake out most of the seeds. (Save some seeds to replant.) Don't forget to drill holes to hang your masterpieces! Some drill a couple of holes in the bottom of the birdhouses for drainage, and maybe for the perch. I don't bother with the perch unless I enter a gourd in the local fair.
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Gourd crafts are fun. The gourds last forever too! Despite the above, I just don't want anyone to get hurt.
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Look up Ginger Summit's: The Complete Book of Gourd Craft. Even if you never craft a gourd, this book is beautiful. I bet you can find it at the Library. I am not trying to sell anything, just mentioning a cool book.
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tarpalsfan March 8, 2018 04:03 PM

[QUOTE=Ann123;687272]Can I be nosy too ;-)?
The mini gourds you mention, are they the cute miniature gourds that are sold on the not trustable Chinese shops ([URL]https://goo.gl/images/Htc4CW[/URL])?
I always assumed they were fake. I've seen them on Pinterest too.
Are they really that small?[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=4]There really are some tiny gourds. I sometimes grow Tennessee Spinner/Dancing gourds. They are Cucurbit Pepo-it is tiny, about 2 inches. And dries easily. I use them for Halloween crafts.
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Thank you for the link. Those are indeed real gourds. I have in front of me Quarry Farm Gourds latest catalog. Those little gourds in the photo are probably Mini Nigerian gourds! I have Quarry Farms new catalog. The 'Sub Minis" are in there. I tried a couple of packs of "Sub's" that I bought at Silver Dollar City, they didn't germinate. However, Quarry Farms is a good company, owned by Jung's now, I think. I will try again.
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Try the Tennessee Dancing gourds. They aren't expensive like the Sub Minis. You can get the seed for the Dancers at The Sand Hill Preservation Center. $2.50 a pack. :) Baker Creek has them too. I don't have any seed, or I'd give you some. I might just buy a pack, if I do, I will p.m. you. If you can grow bottles you can grow dancers. :)
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