Tentative Grow lists for Spring 2018
 

Ok... after the tough Winter sorting out and garden planning ...

some of you must have a close to Tentative grow out list .

With Interesting Varieties planned for 2018 .

What are you growing out ? What's New ? What's Cool ?

Black Bear Tentative Grow List for 2018
 

Ok OK .......I Post My List :

Limit to 60 Varieties for 2018 ....(Next year could be less....LOL)



1)Red Rock
2)Budai Torpe
3)Black Bear
4)Danko
5)Tareseko 6
6)Chernamor
7)Matina
8)Fargo

(Ornamental)
9)Sivery Fir
10)Maglia Rosa
11)Fuzzy Wuzzy
12)Stick
.................................
(2 Gallon)

13)Chibbiko
14)Rejina red
15)Rejina Yellow
16)Hahms Gelbe
17)Venus
...............................
(3 Gallon)

18)Cyril's Choice
19)Sophie's choice
20)Ola Polka
21)Mano
22)Yellow Pygmy
23) Ditmarsher
24)Yaponskiy Karlik
25) Fireworks
...............................................
Dwarf Project Container Medium :

26)Adelaide Festival (striped)
27)Dwarf Velvet Night (Cherry purple)
28)Dwarf Golden Gypsy (Potato leaf yellow)
29)Dwarf Lemon Ice (Heart yellow )
30)Dwarf Franklin County (Potato leaf) Cherry minibeefsteak
31)Dwarf Arctic Rose (Classic Best for BlackBear )
32)Dwarf Blazing Beauty (Orange and PL and Indeterminate )
33)Boronia (Classic Best for Blackbear)
34)Sarandipity (Striped)
35)Yukon Quest (Classic Best for Blackbear)
36)Bundaberg Rumball
37)Brandyfred (Potato Leaf)
38)Dwarf Egypt Yellow (New)
39)Dwarf Scarlet Heart (Red)
40)Loxton Lass (Orange)
.....................................
LongKeeper Class Explorations:
41)Polish Egg (extended Keeper)
42)Zhiraf
43)Selma
.........................................
The Rest in no particular order :

44)Kavalero Chinese
45)Puck
46)BuckBee
47)Zlotoe Sertdse
48)Zluta Kytice
49)Rose quartz (multiflora)
50)EM Champion
51)Velmozha
52)Gregori 's Altai
53)Cosmaunaut Volkov
54)Alesha Popovich (compact indeterminate)
55)unikalnyi !!!! (Very productive potato leaf and container)
56)Sandpoint
57)Hungarian Giant
58) Schelecauski
59) Azoychka
60)Kimberly

Black Bear is growing Black Bear? :lol:

My list:

Dotson's Lebanese Heart (Back By Popular Demand, BBPD)
Dr. Carolyn (by request)
Hardin's Mini, a micro tom (BBPD)
Heinz 1439 (early determinate)
Inima de Bou, a Romanian oxheart
Post Office Spoonful, (BBPD)
Post Office Runt, a smaller-fruited, smaller-leaved variety of POS
Rae-F2, a growout of a cross I made
Sungold F1 (BBPD)
Targinnie Red, a stuffer (I want cute hors d'oeuvres)
Timpurii, a Romanian early tomato
Wild Tiger, a cherry

And at my mother's:

Big Beef F1 (one of her staples)
Buzau 50, a Romanian variety
Early Girl F1 (her other staple)
Kosovo
Mat-Su Express
Post Office Spoonful (by request)
Rae-F2, as a favor to me
Sungold F1 (by request)

Nan

[B]Some spelling corrections are below:[/B]

[QUOTE=BlackBear;679610]Ok OK .......I Post My List :

Limit to 60 Varieties for 2018 ....(Next year could be less....LOL)



1)Red Rock
2)Budai Torpe
3)Black Bear
4)Danko
5)[B][COLOR="Red"]Tarasenko 6 [/COLOR][/B]
6)[B][COLOR="red"]Chernomor (aka Black Sea Man)[/COLOR][/B]
7)Matina
8)Fargo

(Ornamental)
9) [COLOR="red"][B]Silvery Fir Tree[/B][/COLOR]
10)Maglia Rosa
11)Fuzzy Wuzzy
12)Stick
.................................
(2 Gallon)

13)Chibbiko
14)Rejina red
15)Rejina Yellow
16)Hahms Gelbe
17)Venus
...............................
(3 Gallon)

18)Cyril's Choice
19)Sophie's choice
20)Ola Polka
21)Mano
22)Yellow Pygmy
23) Ditmarsher
24)Yaponskiy Karlik
25) Fireworks
...............................................
Dwarf Project Container Medium :

26)Adelaide Festival (striped)
27)Dwarf Velvet Night (Cherry purple)
28)Dwarf Golden Gypsy (Potato leaf yellow)
29)Dwarf Lemon Ice (Heart yellow )
30)Dwarf Franklin County (Potato leaf) Cherry minibeefsteak
31)Dwarf Arctic Rose (Classic Best for BlackBear )
32)Dwarf Blazing Beauty (Orange and PL and Indeterminate )
33)Boronia (Classic Best for Blackbear)
34)Sarandipity (Striped)
35)Yukon Quest (Classic Best for Blackbear)
36)Bundaberg Rumball
37)Brandyfred (Potato Leaf)
38)Dwarf Egypt Yellow (New)
39)Dwarf Scarlet Heart (Red)
40)Loxton Lass (Orange)
.....................................
LongKeeper Class Explorations:
41)Polish Egg (extended Keeper)
42)Zhiraf
43)Selma
.........................................
The Rest in no particular order :

44)Kavalero Chinese
45)Puck
46)BuckBee
47)[B][COLOR="red"]Zolotoe Sertdse[/COLOR][/B]
48)Zluta Kytice
49)Rose quartz (multiflora)
50)EM Champion
51)Velmozha
52)Gregori 's Altai
53)Cosmaunaut Volkov
54)Alesha Popovich (compact indeterminate)
55)unikalnyi !!!! (Very productive potato leaf and container)
56)Sandpoint
57)Hungarian Giant
58) [COLOR="red"][B]Shchelkovskiy Ranniy [/B][/COLOR]
59) Azoychka
60)Kimberly[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nan_PA_6b;679632]Black Bear is growing Black Bear? :lol:

My list:

Dotson's Lebanese Heart (Back By Popular Demand, BBPD)
Dr. Carolyn (by request)
Hardin's Mini, a micro tom (BBPD)
Heinz 1439 (early determinate)
Inima de Bou, a Romanian oxheart
Post Office Spoonful, (BBPD)
Post Office Runt, a smaller-fruited, smaller-leaved variety of POS
Rae-F2, a growout of a cross I made
Sungold F1 (BBPD)
Targinnie Red, a stuffer (I want cute hors d'oeuvres)
Timpurii, a Romanian early tomato
Wild Tiger, a cherry

And at my mother's:

Big Beef F1 (one of her staples)
Buzau 50, a Romanian variety
Early Girl F1 (her other staple)
Kosovo
Mat-Su Express
Post Office Spoonful (by request)
Rae-F2, as a favor to me
Sungold F1 (by request)

Nan[/QUOTE]

Looks good Nan ... I was at one Time going to try Hardin's Mini ....

How does it work for you ?

[QUOTE=Andrey_BY;679633][B]Some spelling corrections are below:[/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks Andrey ....wooops .

I really should edit better .... LOL

I always appreciate your input and suggestions .


How about your Tentative grow out list ? Anything new this year ?

I already planted the following for an earliness experiment:

Stupice
Moravsky Div
Sugary F1
Blush
Jaune Flamme
Oregon Spring

I also bought the seeds and will plant at least 2 of each of the following:

Marianna’s Peace
Tasmanian Chocolate
Pink Berkeley Tye Die
Ananas Noire

The rest of my 35 or so plants I will see what I get at local nurseries and Tatiana’s plant sale.

[QUOTE=BlackBear;679635]Looks good Nan ... I was at one Time going to try Hardin's Mini ....

How does it work for you ?[/QUOTE]

:love:I love Hardin's Mini. In a "trade" 1 gallon pot (maybe 3 liters of soil) it gets 12" (30 cm) tall. It has determinate growth but produces forever. Really, forever. I had some outside last year that got Septoria (everything did) and kept going, leaves or no leaves. At frost, I brought them in. Under lights, they just kept going. The plants are on their last legs now but still continuing to produce.

The taste is good, strong, somewhat tart buffered by a bit of sweet; flavor is complex with depth.

The biggest drawback is the small size of the plant. You get 3-4 stems about 12" long. They produce like mad, but it's still only so many tomatoes at a time. I'd suggest for you to put several in a 3 gallon pot and see what you think.

Fruit is about 1" long, some bigger, some smaller, oval, pointed, red. I have a few extra seeds if you would like them. (Not a general offer; supply is limited.)

I'm trying to create that same taste in a full-sized fruit on a larger plant.

Nan

Thanks)

My list is not ready yet. Too many new varieties to choose from as always:)

[QUOTE=BlackBear;679636]Thanks Andrey ....wooops .

I really should edit better .... LOL

I always appreciate your input and suggestions .


How about your Tentative grow out list ? Anything new this year ?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Andrey_BY;679677]Thanks)

My list is not ready yet. Too many new varieties to choose from as always:)[/QUOTE]

Same for me Andrey, I don't have a clue which seeds I'll give to Rob, a local friend who raises my seedlings for me. Not entirely true since I participated in two of Fred Hempel's seed offers so will grow them ,then look at what I haven't grown yet that would be on my must grow list.

Since someone else has to plant them and care for them, well,that didn't happen last year, but there were some leftover so I gave them to David,one of the mail persons who comes here.

Without him bringing some fruits up here I would have been tomatoless,if that's a word.:)

Carolyn,who at this point just wants to see daffodils,tulips,pussy willows and other signs of Spring, but it won't even be Feb until next week.What a lousy winter it has been here so far, and same in the future.:cry::?:

And think about my envelope with seed packs which is on its way to to for some days so far, Carolyn ;) I'm quite late, but finally I did it:)

[QUOTE=Nan_PA_6b;679669]:love:I love Hardin's Mini. In a "trade" 1 gallon pot (maybe 3 liters of soil) it gets 12" (30 cm) tall. It has determinate growth but produces forever. Really, forever. I had some outside last year that got Septoria (everything did) and kept going, leaves or no leaves. At frost, I brought them in. Under lights, they just kept going. The plants are on their last legs now but still continuing to produce.

The taste is good, strong, somewhat tart buffered by a bit of sweet; flavor is complex with depth.

The biggest drawback is the small size of the plant. You get 3-4 stems about 12" long. They produce like mad, but it's still only so many tomatoes at a time. I'd suggest for you to put several in a 3 gallon pot and see what you think.

Fruit is about 1" long, some bigger, some smaller, oval, pointed, red. I have a few extra seeds if you would like them. (Not a general offer; supply is limited.)

I'm trying to create that same taste in a full-sized fruit on a larger plant.

Nan[/QUOTE]

Ok I will take you up on that as it was one mini I could not seem to find a source..

sounds to me it would be most happy in a "2" gallon .

[QUOTE=Andrey_BY;679677]Thanks)

My list is not ready yet. Too many new varieties to choose from as always:)[/QUOTE]


Just wondering how many varieties is a typical year....you grow ...

My future outlook is for more discipline and less varieties ...and plants etc.

.always ....Next year ....LOL

I already have a few new micros on their first pair of true leaves:
Minibel
Balconi Red
Balcini Yellow
Maskotka
Garden Pearl / Gartenperle

I am going to grow a few outdoors this year:
Red Alert
Sweet Pea Currant
Crimson Crush (new to me)

My local seed savers might be sending me a few to trial too :)

[QUOTE=BlackBear;679700]Just wondering how many varieties is a typical year....you grow ...

My future outlook is for more discipline and less varieties ...and plants etc.

.always ....Next year ....LOL[/QUOTE]

40-50 tomato varieties, about 10 sweet pepper varieties, 1-2 hot peppers etc.:)

[QUOTE=Andrey_BY;679708]40-50 tomato varieties, about 10 sweet pepper varieties, 1-2 hot peppers etc.:)[/QUOTE]



I think that will be my challenge for 2019 to culture

No more than 50 Tom Varieties /season ...........

But that is next year ....


More with less and less is more etc.

Started on 1/10 and shown in photo:

Pinocchio Orange
Vilma
Jochalos

Later will be sowing the following; a few indeterminates for us* as well as a row of cherry tomatoes to be picked and taken to a local food pantry, some others for neighbors to plant, and a few new determinates for family to try in their mini-garden:

Blackberry*
Black Star* - maybe
Blue Tears
Candyland Red F1
Cherokee Purple* - back after 10 years or so
Daniel Burson
Daniels
Elfin
Esterina F1
Heidi*
Indian Stripe
Indian Zebra* - maybe
Indigo Cherry Drops
Maw Maw's Treat
Not Purple Strawberry* - maybe
Plum Crimson
Rutgers 250
Sprite
Sungold F1

Have managed to keep the numbers down but got carried away with seed catalog temptations for sure this winter...not just tomatoes, either!:?:

Wishing everyone lots of fun in planning, sowing, planting, tending, harvesting, tasting, etc. this season!

kath

Nice selection ! ......

everybody seems to be able to keep the Tom variety numbers in check

and mostly stay away from seed catalog temptations ....

But it sure can be tough some times ....to keep all in moderation ...LOL






[QUOTE=kath;679719]Started on 1/10 and shown in photo:

Pinocchio Orange
Vilma
Jochalos

Later will be sowing the following; a few indeterminates for us* as well as a row of cherry tomatoes to be picked and taken to a local food pantry, some others for neighbors to plant, and a few new determinates for family to try in their mini-garden:

Blackberry*
Black Star* - maybe
Blue Tears
Candyland Red F1
Cherokee Purple* - back after 10 years or so
Daniel Burson
Daniels
Elfin
Esterina F1
Heidi*
Indian Stripe
Indian Zebra* - maybe
Indigo Cherry Drops
Maw Maw's Treat
Not Purple Strawberry* - maybe
Plum Crimson
Rutgers 250
Sprite
Sungold F1

Have managed to keep the numbers down but got carried away with seed catalog temptations for sure this winter...not just tomatoes, either!:?:

Wishing everyone lots of fun in planning, sowing, planting, tending, harvesting, tasting, etc. this season!

kath[/QUOTE]

I am going very stingy with tomatoes this year and limiting myself to only 10 plants only, normally 20-30. I am doing this so that I can grow more pepper varieties (listed in the Pepper forum) and other things in my garden. Tomato list is as follows:
[COLOR=black][FONT="Verdana"][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT="Verdana"]Arkansas Traveler (1)[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT="Verdana"]Cosmonaut Volkov (1)[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT="Verdana"]Omar's Lebanese (1)
Organic Roma (2)
Paul Robeson (4)
Supersweet 100 (1)[/FONT][/COLOR]

2018 Grow List
 

My tentative list. Any thoughts or suggestions appreciated! I like to have a wide variety. I Have room for 20:


Virginia Sweets
Ananas Noire
Sart Roloise

Russian Persimmon

Mat-Su Express
Prue
Chapman

Barlow Jap
Raspberry Supreme
Momotaro
Earl's Faux
Rebel Yell
Kosovo
Missouri Pink love Apple
Lithuanian

Black From Tula
Noire Charbonneuse
Bear Creek

Sungold
Lucky Tiger

I've been keeping busy experimenting with greens so far. Not up to tomato or pepper lists yet, but enjoying reading what direction everyone is thinking they want to try this year.

Kath, those micros are beautiful. May I ask your seed source? I used up the micros I have (mostly dans) , and my coir pellet must be holding something back. I cheated and used scraps instead of going the "good stuff" route for so few plants. You did the right thing starting them happy from the beginning.

Keep us posted on their progress.
- Lisa


[QUOTE=kath;679719]Started on 1/10 and shown in photo:

Pinocchio Orange
Vilma
Jochalos

Later will be sowing the following; a few indeterminates for us* as well as a row of cherry tomatoes to be picked and taken to a local food pantry, some others for neighbors to plant, and a few new determinates for family to try in their mini-garden:

Blackberry*
Black Star* - maybe
Blue Tears
Candyland Red F1
Cherokee Purple* - back after 10 years or so
Daniel Burson
Daniels
Elfin
Esterina F1
Heidi*
Indian Stripe
Indian Zebra* - maybe
Indigo Cherry Drops
Maw Maw's Treat
Not Purple Strawberry* - maybe
Plum Crimson
Rutgers 250
Sprite
Sungold F1

Have managed to keep the numbers down but got carried away with seed catalog temptations for sure this winter...not just tomatoes, either!:?:

Wishing everyone lots of fun in planning, sowing, planting, tending, harvesting, tasting, etc. this season!

kath[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=george k;679741]My tentative list. Any thoughts or suggestions appreciated! I like to have a wide variety. I Have room for 20:

If it was me, I'd grow the following which I've marked with a star


*Virginia Sweets
*Ananas Noire
Sart Roloise

Russian Persimmon

Mat-Su Express
*Prue
*Chapman

Barlow Jap
Raspberry Supreme
*Momotaro
*Earl's Faux
*Rebel Yell
*Kosovo
*Missouri Pink love Apple
*Lithuanian

*Black From Tula
*Noire Charbonneuse
*Bear Creek

*Sungold
Lucky Tiger

That's I think 14, best I can do for the 20 you have room for.:)

Carolyn

While I won't post my entire grow list (not that it's very long) since I've posted it elsewhere.

I'll post the ones that will be new to my garden in 2018, some of which are very highly regarded tomatoes and maybe wondering how I've gone so long without trying some of these.

Magila Rosa (trying this instead of Blush this year)
Brandywine Sudduth's (supposed to be one of the best)
Brandywine Cowlick's (curious to how these two compare, side by side)
Orange Russian 117 (first heart, my son picked it out because he thought the shape and color looked really neat)
KARMA Pink (really excited to try this one)
Matina (gets lots of love, plus early and expecting to keep going hard to frost)
Noire de Crimee (had off type last year, excited to try this next to Black Krim)
Malachite Box (not having grown many GWR, but love the ones I have)
Crnkovic Yugoslavian X Jaune Flammee F1 (F1 will be fun, but really can't wait for F2)

Thanks Carolyn, that’s encouraging!

Not quite ready yet... might be a while before the MMMM package arrives and until I've received and triaged it, my grow list won't be done.

[QUOTE=greenthumbomaha;679745]
Kath, those micros are beautiful. May I ask your seed source?
Keep us posted on their progress.
- Lisa[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Lisa! This is my 1st experience with micros- I kept the # to just 3 to see how they work for me. Started too late this year to do anything but trial for taste but if I grow them again next season, I would time them to produce fruits for winter salads.

[url]https://heritageseedmarket.com/index.php/product-category/dwarf-tomatoes/micro-dwarf-tomatoes/[/url]

kath

[QUOTE=BlackBear;679726]Nice selection ! ......

everybody seems to be able to keep the Tom variety numbers in check

and mostly stay away from seed catalog temptations ....

But it sure can be tough some times ....to keep all in moderation ...LOL[/QUOTE]

Thanks, BlackBear! It took me many years and hundreds of varieties before I was able to keep the numbers 'in check' and since my 2018 number will likely be twice that of 2017, it does look as though I'm headed in the 'wrong' direction again!:lol:

kath

[QUOTE=kath;679822]Thanks, BlackBear! It took me many years and hundreds of varieties before I was able to keep the numbers 'in check' and since my 2018 number will likely be twice that of 2017, it does look as though I'm headed in the 'wrong' direction again!:lol:

kath[/QUOTE]

I Forsee that I will have to get the number of Tom varieties down to around 40 Max. in future .and leave the allocation for "new explorations " trials to about 10 varieties or less per year(out of the 40 max). I just can't do that ...this year ...LOL.

I sure have enjoyed exploring new varieties . There always seem to be a reason to try a new one . LOL

Minis
dwarf project releases
Long keepers
Multiflora
Ornamental
earliness
cool climate .. etc. etc.

My tentative list:

In Earthboxes:
Daniels
Not Brandywine Heart
Granadero (two plants)
Neves Azorean Red
DLH
Pruden's Purple
Karma Pink
Brutus
Mennonite Orange
KBX
Kelloggs Breakfast
GGWT
Black Krim
BKX
Paul Robeson
JD's Special C Tex
Daniel Burson
Vorlon
Cherokee Purple
Margaret Curtain

In Gardener's Grow Bags (roughly 12G):
Orange Jazz
Sungold
Casey’s Yellow
Sugary Yellow
Black Cherry
Japanese Black Trifele
Rainbow Jazz Heart
Madera F1

In 10G Smart Pots:
New Big Dwarf
EM Champion
Dw Purple Heart
Tastywine
Cherokee Tiger
Rosella Purple
Loxton Lad

I've had bad luck with Dwarf plants dying off quickly and being loaded with disease or vulnerable to russet mite attack, while the other plants survive. So this year I am relegating them to Smart Pots.

[QUOTE=BlackBear;679842]I Forsee that I will have to get the number of Tom varieties down to around 40 Max. in future .and leave the allocation for "new explorations " trials to about 10 varieties or less per year(out of the 40 max). I just can't do that ...this year ...LOL.

I sure have enjoyed exploring new varieties . There always seem to be a reason to try a new one . LOL

Minis
dwarf project releases
Long keepers
Multiflora
Ornamental
earliness
cool climate .. etc. etc.[/QUOTE]

Well, then, you aren't that far from your goal! It's just too soon for you. I agree that there always seems to be a reason to try new ones, especially if you hang around here or look at catalogs, paper or online!

kath