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MrSalvage November 15, 2016 07:40 PM

I need a welder on the cheap...
 
I have all kinds of junk sitting around here. I would like to do some farmhacks. What in the minimum i can get away with. I think all I have is 15amp breakers for the 110v. I do have two outlets for 220v.

I really do need to start welding some of my hacks so what can i get away with for home use?

Worth1 November 15, 2016 07:50 PM

MIG TIG or stick.
Your best bet would be a stick welder that will do AC and DC.
How much do you want to spend?
Stay away from cheap 120 volt MIG wire welders they are junk and you will burn it up in less than a year.
Consider an engine driven one too, the reason why is when you see the electric bill.

Worth

MrSalvage November 15, 2016 08:01 PM

Would 200.00 get me something that is useful worth?

Worth1 November 15, 2016 08:13 PM

[QUOTE=MrSalvage;600039]Would 200.00 get me something that is useful worth?[/QUOTE]

Not unless you are very lucky even the cheap ones are more than that.
The best you can do for anything close to that is a used Lincoln 220 volt AC stick welder.
New ones are around $ 329 or so.
If you go used by all means look for an AC DC welder.
Can you weld?

Worth

Worth1 November 15, 2016 08:40 PM

I want to add I learned how to weld on a Lincoln AC cracker box stick welder.
At the time they cost $98.00 in the 70's.
I made the highest grade in the class with my welding test 99%.
The reason the teacher didn't give me 100% is because I could weld better than him.
The class said this not me. :lol:
When I first welded with DC I thought I had died and went to heaven.

Stick welders will let you weld outside MIG make you buy gas flux core wire feed is okay but good ones are expensive and they will run MIG too.

TIG is out of the question expensive mine a Miller was $1,800 16 years ago but I can stick weld with it too.

shatbox November 16, 2016 01:23 AM

I like stick because there is nothing like the satisfaction of a beautiful bead. Like Worth said MIG/TIG is better in shop environments (cylinders and the like for MIG/TIG; though fluxcore, like stick, can be done anywhere). Anything you will want to build heavy duty you will want to do with stick. See duty cycle note below.

If I were just starting out, I would go with a [URL="http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=welder"]Harbor Freight [/URL] MIG/Fluxcore w/ a 20% off coupon. You may know this but for those new, it comes down how well the machine spools and the duty rating (Rule of thumb, 20% duty rating means it can run continuously for 20 min out of an hour). Point is: no one wants to fuss with wire kinking, breaking on its way to the gun and no one likes making three tacks and waiting a half hour to do one pass.

[URL="http://www.everlastgenerators.com/catalog-multiprocess-migtigstick"]Everlast[/URL] has some bomb multiprocess machines. Not American made but well built.

Worth1 November 16, 2016 09:27 AM

Problem with the duty cycle is it is in minutes on welders.
As in 10 minutes on welders.
A twenty percent duty cycle is weld 2 minutes let cool for 8 minutes.
Far better off to get one that welds at 100% duty cycle at an amperage you commonly weld at and lower.
Mine I think is 100% at 90 amps.
It has a square wave form on AC and is I think 40%+ 60%- or the other way around for welding aluminum.
MIG welders have voltage and feed settings, most of the guys you see on TV dont know how to use them or set them up.
They are fantastic for thin metal speed and tacking.
A friend of mine ran one at a Caterpillar plant that was huge they brought the spools in on a lift or crane.
Ran off Co2.

MrSalvage November 17, 2016 06:39 AM

[QUOTE=Worth1;600041]Not unless you are very lucky even the cheap ones are more than that.
The best you can do for anything close to that is a used Lincoln 220 volt AC stick welder.
New ones are around $ 329 or so.
If you go used by all means look for an AC DC welder.
Can you weld?

Worth[/QUOTE]


I went to welding school when I was a young man. I got a certificate from them when i passed the class. That was a long time ago tho...

So you think a new Lincoln from Lowes would be my best bet for here around house then? I guess I could switch my dryer outlet and the dryer cord too, so it would match the welder.

Worth1 November 17, 2016 11:08 AM

[QUOTE=MrSalvage;600225]I went to welding school when I was a young man. I got a certificate from them when i passed the class. That was a long time ago tho...

So you think a new Lincoln from Lowes would be my best bet for here around house then? I guess I could switch my dryer outlet and the dryer cord too, so it would match the welder.[/QUOTE]


Which ever way is easiest for you.

Worth1 November 17, 2016 01:16 PM

A friend of mine gave me this book many years ago and I think it is out of print but it is one heck of a good book.
Covers everything including underwater welding.
[url]https://www.google.com/shopping/product/18027048827736870270?q=Welding+skills+and+practices+book&biw=1333&bih=626&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.&bvm=bv.139250283,d.eWE&tch=1&ech=1&psi=__ItWNSiLoGcmQGg3avACA.1479406335550.3&prds=paur:ClkAsKraX39EoxCqi3qJ4jy7NixXQcci0oC9zgYearfxDB63rXobE9jUJq7m7z53tNyVkF65dK8KDicStLZKB3jD9iMKShAEqQeMXmWefRQ7o9MA9sQYcgvsRxIZAFPVH72rAD2EByMG1sVH9JaLTsQ0PODESA&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjExoWTsrDQAhVIxCYKHcauDHAQ8wIIhQMwAQ[/url]

Worth1 November 17, 2016 01:57 PM

I want to add if you get an AC/DC welder you can easily set it up to weld TIG later and you will be able to weld darn near anything.

I highly recommend an AC/DC welder over the AC welder.
How I got mine was I set up an account at Air Gas and paid it off.

loulac November 18, 2016 02:29 AM

I suggest visiting [url]http://weldingweb.com/[/url]
Giving precise information is difficult as we don't know exacxtly what you intend to weld (steel I suppose) and thickness. MIG is dangerous for unqualified welders as they can't know if penetration is OK. TIG is a must for thin metal (less than 2 millimeters) but expensive with argon. A good training is necessary.Stick is I think the best choice as long as you avoid the cheapest equipment. Check the duty cycle, see Worth's post above. It should be at least 60%. 150 amps would be a nice power.
Modern equipment is full of electronics that will die in the first months of use if it has to, so be sure to buy it in a place that can service it and not in Shangai.

MrSalvage November 19, 2016 08:53 AM

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I ended up buying a cheap little MIG-130 Flux Core Wire Welder. MIG is just the name and it should be enough to do small stuff around here. Ended up being $70.40 shipped with the coupon they offer.

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/MIG-130-Flux-Core-Wire-Welder-Welding-Machine-w-Cooling-Fan-Face-Mask-115V-/320887907432?hash=item4ab668e468[/url]

I like it better than the cheap one on harbor freight as it had two more settings.

Hopefully after I get my feet wet again. I would like to get a nice DC Arc welder as i want to build some trailers for a smoker along with a nice car trailer to name a few things. I already have a nice scrap pile outback and a few trailers for axles and such.

MrSalvage November 19, 2016 09:01 AM

Thanks for the links guys... I found a Tuber that's just a kid and he has a great attitude. I have been reviewing all of his content/vids. He is doing so well for himself, it seems every welding company around seems to want him to review their products. Of course he gets to keep the product!

Anyway this is the section I am reviewing now.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_P7k0CDx5cWK1dJBI2EOyEq7bHN_YdCI[/url]

Man oh man does this kid has some welding machines! I wonder if he has to pay tax on all that stuff? Smart kid...

Worth1 November 19, 2016 10:33 AM

Now go pick up some nozzle jelly.
I hope it works for you.
I bet he does have to pay tax.
Some people thought they could get away from tax by the barter system they still have to pay tax.

Worth

MrSalvage November 19, 2016 04:31 PM

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[QUOTE=Worth1;600589]Now go pick up some nozzle jelly.
I hope it works for you.
I bet he does have to pay tax.
Some people thought they could get away from tax by the barter system they still have to pay tax.

Worth[/QUOTE]

LoL didn't know I needed some. My lord something else to buy. Some say pam works too I see. I guess i should have bought a pair of welpers while i was up at harbor freight today as well. I did get a couple pair of welders gloves, wire brush & and a slag pick. I had to pee so bad I just couldn't think of anything else. I keep looking at the spools of wire. I know I need them but not to sure yet what type of welding each type is for. I still need to learn all the new to me lingo.

I did grab a mini tire machine tho and a pair of spoons while i was there. I am tired of all this junk I have, having bad & flat tires. Now i can fix all that crap my self and in turn save a few bucks. Heck i bought a pair of wheels a few weeks back for $4.00 each from hf. The wheels don't fit my latest project but the tires and tube's on those wheels are a perfect match to what is on this old Snapper. It's a shame the wheels don't fit the front stub axles on that thing. On the other hand it's good the snapper has fat front stubs.

Anyway i drilled 4 holes in that big cable spool i use for a work table. Then mounted that little tire machine on it with 1/2 bolts and some fat washers from Lowes. Then that big ole front blew in and it started to rain. So I am out of commision atm.

Here is a picture of that old Snapper I am fixing. Plus the little tire machine. I hope i able to weld a new shifter on this thing. Plus maybe close up the minor rust hole's in one part of the deck. My ole lady keeps saying i will look like forest gump on that thing when I get it fixed. Now if i can figure out what model this snapper is so I can see the orientation of a factory shifter. I will fab one up out of something. Maybe a piece of prop rod from an old car or something.

Now back to the kid... He has some pretty neat & informative videos. I am picking up on some stuff. My girl got mad at me the other night and started stomping around. She went and grabbed a pair of head phones and thru them at me. lol... Some guy speaking a language i know nothing of and started yelling at the beginning of one of those welding vids and woke her up. Poor thang... 8-)

Worth1 November 20, 2016 10:20 AM

I remember the old Snappers had a tubular frame I think.
Yeah you start something up and end up needing all sorts of stuff.

At least Lowes and Home Depot have new tips and wire for the MIG welders.

I remember the first time I ever saw a wire feed welder, what ----- is that thing.:lol:


Worth

dmforcier November 20, 2016 11:55 AM

Nozzle jelly is not something rude?

Worth1 November 20, 2016 12:56 PM

It keeps spatter from clogging up the nozzle.
You dip your nozzle in it.

Worth

dmforcier November 20, 2016 11:21 PM

I repeat the question.

Worth1 November 20, 2016 11:49 PM

It keeps stuff from sticking to your nozzle.
Worth

Jimbotomateo November 21, 2016 12:04 AM

Nozzolas
 
[QUOTE=dmforcier;600912]I repeat the question.[/QUOTE]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

loulac November 21, 2016 04:53 AM

[QUOTE=dmforcier;600912]I repeat the question.[/QUOTE]

I’m not stupid enough to try to compete with Texan humor but I enjoy it when occasion arises. Let me help my fellow T. visitors who like me are not lucky enough to master all the subtleties of American English. Nozle is a problem ? just check the word in Urban dictionary, [URL]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nozzle[/URL] . I won’t do all the work, Choose the nearest word in the list !

heirloomtomaguy November 21, 2016 09:45 AM

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In this instance Worth is not being funny but helpful. In my first picture I am pointing to the nozzle of a MIG gun. It serves two major purposes. First it is a shield for the electrode in which the wire travels through. Second it directs the gas you are using to protect the weld from contaminates. In my second picture is a nozzle spray that I use. It works the same as nozzle jelly without having to dip the nozzle. Lastly weld spatter is molten metal splatter created when you weld

Worth1 November 21, 2016 10:27 AM

Thank you.:)
This spray and other products work great if you dont want weld splatter on the stuff you are welding too.
Even with a stick welder.

Worth

dmforcier November 21, 2016 10:58 AM

Sitting here laughing my nozzle off. Good way to start the week.

loulac, those definitions are mostly hilarious all on their own but don't have much to do with the ambiguity of the word as abused here. For that, see HTG's first kind picture.





[SIZE=1]... which still seems kinda rude, despite the explicit disambiguation.[/SIZE]

Worth1 November 23, 2016 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=dmforcier;600969]Sitting here laughing my nozzle off. Good way to start the week.

loulac, those definitions are mostly hilarious all on their own but don't have much to do with the ambiguity of the word as abused here. For that, see HTG's first kind picture.





[SIZE=1]... which still seems kinda rude, despite the explicit disambiguation.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

You cant go to that site without finding some sort of extreme vulgarity for just about every word there is.

Worth

MrSalvage December 2, 2016 05:08 PM

Welp I keep popping the breaker. I kinda thought 14/2 and a 15 amp breaker wouldn't cut the mustard but had to try.

I have momma buying a roll of 12/2 now. Guess i will be pulling a 20 amp line this weekend. Not a bad price on the stuff. It's under $50.00 for 250ft @ Lowes & Home Depot. I might as well pull a few lines or just rewire the whole darn house.

MrSalvage December 2, 2016 05:11 PM

Oh my can of generic pam worked fine. That is for the 5 or 6 training welds I did get to do. I was just starting to get the hang of it on the last two.

kameronth April 7, 2017 10:39 AM

[QUOTE=MrSalvage;602562]Welp I keep popping the breaker. I kinda thought 14/2 and a 15 amp breaker wouldn't cut the mustard but had to try.

I have momma buying a roll of 12/2 now. Guess i will be pulling a 20 amp line this weekend. Not a bad price on the stuff. It's under $50.00 for 250ft @ Lowes & Home Depot. I might as well pull a few lines or just rewire the whole darn house.[/QUOTE]

I have a Hobart 140 I use just for tinkering and small repairs. I have the same issue when I turn up the amperage. Now I just run it off my generator. I never run my generator enough so I kill two birds with one stone, my generator gets used and I stop popping my garage breaker.


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