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FourOaks February 8, 2018 02:56 PM

Seedling transplanting has begun..
 
Well, its that time. I determined that the Tomatoes in the 72 cell plug trays would probably appreciate roomier accommodations.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/WMjt3bPl.jpg[/IMG]

A nice healthy unrestricted root structure. Been feeding with Jacks 20-20-20 at about 200 PPM every other watering. I use a Blue Lab Truncheon Meter to check.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/TpiZmtwl.jpg[/IMG]

I started mixing my soil in one of these "Odd Job" brand containers I found at the Big Box Store. By pure coincidence a web tray fits over. Im using the 1801 Deep Inserts as recommended by Cole Robbie. I only bought four sheets to test out. I need to go Monday to my wholesaler and buy a case. I do like these. Previously have used, and still have some of the 1801 shallow inserts.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/7NWN000l.jpg[/IMG]

Transplanted 54 Prudens Purple, 6 Kelloggs, and 6 Trip-L-Crop. Also transplanted 24 Oregano and 6 Sage plants. Then sowed Petite Mixed Marigolds, and not shown in this photo but sowed around 150 Carolina Reaper seeds.

The above Tomatoes are for early production. Ill be able to start picking in mid May.

Salsacharley February 8, 2018 03:02 PM

Your seedlings look very good. What are your plans for 150 Reaper plants? I had 2 last year that each produced about 5 lbs of peppers. I'm overwintering them in hopes of even more production this year.

FourOaks February 8, 2018 04:34 PM

[QUOTE=Salsacharley;681921]Your seedlings look very good. What are your plans for 150 Reaper plants? I had 2 last year that each produced about 5 lbs of peppers. I'm overwintering them in hopes of even more production this year.[/QUOTE]

Im going to sell them suckers!

Being that they can be hard to come by, Im thinking about asking $7 ea.

I would like to keep maybe 5 for myself to grow out for seed, and 1 or 2 for pepper production, for those folks who want to pay $10 for a couple dried peppers. Maybe in a couple years be able to offer the seeds. But, and this is a big "but", I will certainly have to build a screen house to keep them pure.

Im hoping these grow true. My supplier reassured me that they should be around 95% pure. This is the same supplier whom I got a lovely Trinidad Scorpion from a few years back. Never saved the seeds from it, kinda regretting that now.

Just on a side note, down in the envelope was a tiny, and I mean very tiny sliver of dried red pepper skin. It was stuck to a seed. It was probably 1/3 of the size of a seed for reference. Like any opportunistic fool, I popped the piece into my mouth. I figured if it was really dry, then no harm.

Yeah, I was wrong. It didnt light me up, but it had some power behind it. A heat that was more acidic like. Instant runny nose and sinus drainage. And a cough that wouldnt stop. My chest burned for a good while, every time I took a breath.

Cleared my head right up. :lol:

FourOaks February 9, 2018 11:28 AM

This morning I started getting potting supplies out of storage. Im one of those people that have to see with my own eyes. Helps me to make a plan.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/NHU3ZeBl.jpg[/IMG]

About the only pots I need are the 1801s and 1 Gallon. I didnt even realize that I had so many 1 quart pots. I was thinking I had around 100-200. But to my surprise, around 700. Also, some leftover hanging baskets that are missing the hangers. These will make fine pots that just set on a porch step, or something similar.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/iI88Maxl.jpg[/IMG]

Just setting up the baskets. These dont have soil in them. I had enough hangers to do 33 baskets.

Fun times ahead.

Rajun Gardener February 9, 2018 01:06 PM

Fun Times!!!!!!

I think everybody uses those tubs, I have 2 and I need more.

FourOaks February 9, 2018 01:33 PM

[QUOTE=Rajun Gardener;682066]Fun Times!!!!!!

I think everybody uses those tubs, I have 2 and I need more.[/QUOTE]

Previously I used a 33 gallon tote to mix in. You could put a lot of soil in there, but a royal pain to mix. You had to do layers.

This is by far better.

I like the fact that the flat can straddle across the top, or set down inside of the "trough". Makes filling them go much faster.

FourOaks February 12, 2018 05:25 PM

So I made a trip to my wholesaler today. Had to get some 1801 Deep Inserts and grabbed a 4 cu. ft. bag of vermiculite. This year Im replacing the perlite with the vermiculite. So far Im liking it.

Due to other obligations I was only able to transplant another 7 flats today. Those 7 were assorted peppers. These are intended for the garden for production. All though some may be set aside to be sold as container peppers.

And wouldnt you know it. Crappy weather is back. Tonights low is supposed to be 37. So the peppers are back in the house already. The tomatoes can wait until later this evening.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/hnY7LoFl.jpg[/IMG]

Cole_Robbie February 12, 2018 05:33 PM

That looks like a mortar mixing bin. I use them for bottom-watering my plants, too. The plastic lasts well in the sun. It's especially easy when the inserts are all still attached to each other. The thing floats like a boat when dry. But after the pots get separated, the water level has to be shallow, or they bob up and tip over. I water all my plants by bottom watering until soaked - I'm sold on that technique.

FourOaks February 12, 2018 08:28 PM

It is indeed a Mortar Mixing Tub. Or at least, found in the Masonry aisle at Lowes. I did buy it to mix mortar originally. I had to do some brick work on my home, then it just set.

And your right, the plastic is tough. Im thinking they might have some UV resistance in the plastic. I bought it Spring of last year, and it set out in the open until just recently. Absolutely no signs of breaking down or becoming brittle.

As far as the dipping the pots go, if you use a water soluble fertilizer, there would certainly be very little, if any waste. So that would be good. I use Masterblend myself, and every ounce does add up, cost wise. My other goto is Jacks, but still costs money no matter what.

Im wondering, are there any larger Sheet-O-Pots type of product? I know they make a 801, but those are pretty shallow. Im thinking something that would be closer to a 2 quart to gallon size container. Doing flowers in those, and being able to dip those would be great.

Otherwise, im thinking about doing something like the stacking 4 way manifold with drip stakes to keep the potted flowers watered.

greenthumbomaha February 13, 2018 11:57 AM

I was wondering if sterilizing pots by dipping a whole stack in bleach water (for example the stack in Post #4 above) and rinsing in a stack is sufficient. For the past few years I let each pot float around separately, drain. and fill with fresh water twice. It is quite a bit of work for me as the sink I use in the powder room is very small. I have always missed having a nice deep slop sink in the laundry area. My current method takes a lot of time and water.

- Lisa

FourOaks February 13, 2018 12:53 PM

[QUOTE=greenthumbomaha;682905]I was wondering if sterilizing pots by dipping a whole stack in bleach water (for example the stack in Post #4 above) and rinsing in a stack is sufficient. For the past few years I let each pot float around separately, drain. and fill with fresh water twice. It is quite a bit of work for me as the sink I use in the powder room is very small. I have always missed having a nice deep slop sink in the laundry area. My current method takes a lot of time and water.

- Lisa[/QUOTE]

Since pots nest together fairly snug, I wouldnt think that would be effective. Instead, heres 2 options that might be a little more efficient.

1. 5 Gallon Bucket, or similar. Fill with bleach water. Dip pots in and right back out. Rinse pots.

2. Fill a spray bottle with bleach water. Spray pots. Rinse.

If im not mistaken, bleach water only has to make contact with the surface for a couple seconds. So no need to actually soak the containers.

FourOaks February 14, 2018 06:12 PM

More transplanting today. Im now up to 38 flats done. These are assorted Peppers and Tomatoes, at various ages. Still have about a dozen flats to do tomorrow, then it will be time to plant more seeds. :lol:

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/bMg8ZGyl.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/WSXHHYhl.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/sAV8w73l.jpg[/IMG]

Had to put a bunch of flats on the ground. Not a fan of that, but have run out of bench space for now.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/msOje3tl.jpg[/IMG]

Found the perfect tool to make holes for size 72 plugs. An old screwdriver.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/TYKk9MHl.jpg[/IMG]

Perfect holes.

Rajun Gardener February 14, 2018 07:23 PM

Looking good, I know it's nice to be busy planting finally.


I tried using tools for those holes but my finger works best and it's faster. Transplanting is so tedious to me, I need to build a custom height table and find a comfortable stool.

Another thing I need to build is a flood and drain table for all the flats. It took me too long to soak flats in those Odjob. I can do 3 flats at a time but it takes a while for them to soak up the nutes(Masterblend). I think it took about 4 hours and I only have about 20 flats going.

Cole_Robbie February 14, 2018 07:57 PM

I framed a 4' x 8' bin out of 2x10s and put a pond liner in it. That's my big watering bin.

I am hoping to build flood and drain tables soon, as I convert my high tunnel into a greenhouse for container plants. The drain might actually be optional, if I can put just the right amount of water on to the table so that the plants soak it all up. I would most like to automate that system, but I am not there yet.

FourOaks February 14, 2018 08:05 PM

[QUOTE=Rajun Gardener;683260]Looking good, I know it's nice to be busy planting finally.


I tried using tools for those holes but my finger works best and it's faster. Transplanting is so tedious to me, I need to build a custom height table and find a comfortable stool. [/QUOTE]

Comfort definitely has to come first. For me, the bench height, with the oddjob tote, then the flat on top of that is just about right. A couple inches taller wouldnt be bad, but it works.

As far as making the holes, it just depends. For me, for the #72s its just right. I was knocking more soil out when I just used my fingers. Then I tried filling the cells about half way, hold up the leaves, then back fill. That was taking forever. So I had the screw driver laying around from working on the furnace. I punch the holes, then drop in the plugs. Done.

The smaller seedlings, I use my finger.

[QUOTE=Rajun Gardener;683260]Another thing I need to build is a flood and drain table for all the flats. It took me too long to soak flats in those Odjob. I can do 3 flats at a time but it takes a while for them to soak up the nutes(Masterblend). I think it took about 4 hours and I only have about 20 flats going.[/QUOTE]

That is one artifact about the idea of soaking that I dont like, the time involved. I dont soak as a matter of regular procedure, but have done it to save some seriously wilted plants. No doubt it works, but to be efficient it would take some serious infrastructure.

Im not sure what the perfect answer is. At this time of year I am forced to tote hot water from the house, out to the seedling house. I do have an old propane water tank which would be ideal. Just have to check it out. It might still function, it might not. Or, if I could get my hands on a cheap on demand water heater, that would be great.

Later in the season, I mix Masterblend in an IBC and use a shallow well pump to get it where it needs to go.

That reminds me, this year I am going to spend the money and buy a Dramm watering wand, with a water breaker. Tired of fooling around with the cheap ones from the Hardware stores.

FourOaks February 14, 2018 08:09 PM

[QUOTE=Cole_Robbie;683264]I framed a 4' x 8' bin out of 2x10s and put a pond liner in it. That's my big watering bin.

I am hoping to build flood and drain tables soon, as I convert my high tunnel into a greenhouse for container plants. The drain might actually be optional, if I can put just the right amount of water on to the table so that the plants soak it all up. I would most like to automate that system, but I am not there yet.[/QUOTE]

Still want the drain for the occasional rinse. Other wise you would get salt build up. Assuming nutrients are present.

So a table that size. You could fit 16 flats in? About how long do they take to soak?

Cole_Robbie February 14, 2018 08:26 PM

I don't get salt buildup, funnily enough, unless I use miracle-grow type of fertilizer. Maybe it is from using Osmocote, or maybe I just grow enough algae and bacteria to consume nutrient run-off.

Flats are quick and easy to water. Most of my plants will be in larger pots, and I let them soak until saturated, especially bigger plants in hot weather. I leave pots in water overnight quite frequently. I don't think I could grow dwarf sunflowers in trade size gallons if I top-watered.

I am at the point of being slightly profitable, but it takes up all my time. As soon as I can build an [I]automated[/I] slightly profitable greenhouse, then I can justify building more of them.

FourOaks February 14, 2018 09:01 PM

I forgot about you using Osmocote.

Im still thinking for pot crops, something like this, a multi outlet dripper:

[url]http://www.greenhousemegastore.com/product/multi-outlet-dripper-assembly/irrigation-watering[/url]

Would take some setting up, but what doesnt? Run the poly line down the middle of the bench, or along the floor. Great thing, could be used for any pot crops.

Cole_Robbie February 14, 2018 09:06 PM

I've looked at "Dribble Rings" from Dramm before, but didn't end up buying them. Someone here I think pointed out that you could just buy 90 degree elbows and make your own square of tubing around the plant with emitters on each side.

I seem to have a need to re-invent the wheel when it comes to irrigation, but I am hoping to come up with something innovative.

Rajun Gardener February 14, 2018 09:12 PM

I wouldn't use that system, it's easier to set up one mainline and use single 1/4" lines. The problem comes when you need to shut off the water on a few lines. You would need a recirculating system to catch the nutes/water and that's another headache to solve.

FourOaks February 14, 2018 09:59 PM

[QUOTE=Rajun Gardener;683310]I wouldn't use that system, it's easier to set up one mainline and use single 1/4" lines. The problem comes when you need to shut off the water on a few lines. You would need a recirculating system to catch the nutes/water and that's another headache to solve.[/QUOTE]

Simple solution to shut off water to individual lines:

Fold 1/4 inch line in half, secure with bread twist tie. I have been saving them since last year.

FourOaks February 15, 2018 07:00 PM

Ahh, more transplanting. Another 8 flats of 18. Finally had to start moving flats to the other side of the seedling house.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/QzLNREjl.jpg[/img]

After that it was seed sowing time. Didnt get a whole lot done, but something like 8 flats. More will be sown tomorrow. Those plants will be sold as my 8-9 week old seedlings, in the 1801 pots.

FourOaks February 16, 2018 07:46 PM

More seed sowing today. Between yesterday and today, I sowed 32 assorted flats. I used a combination of 72 cell plug trays, 1204 inserts, and 1801 inserts. Some shallow, some deep.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/M97X8qFl.jpg[/IMG]

Using vermiculite right on top. Trying to get away from the humidity domes. I realized after this that I probably need to switch over to "mass sowing" in the 1801s. At this point, I wasnt sure where all these were going to go. Already had some flats under the lights that were sown a week or so ago.

Im seriously considering a germination chamber at this point.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Y8Tb3UNl.jpg[/IMG]

Mass sowing. I guess no matter what, ya gotta transplant.

I sowed a combination of hybird and op tomatoes. Trying to grow out what I think most folks would purchase. Also, growing out what should do very well here in our Hot, Humid, Diseased area.

Kelloggs Breakfast, German Johnson, Beefsteak, Large Red Cherry, Rutgers, Homestead, Marglobe, Roma, Black Krim, Cherokee Purple, Aunt Rubys German Green, Prudens Purple, Mortgage Lifter (not sure which strain), Box Car Willie, Brandywine (once again not sure the strain).

Better Boy, Big Boy (cant say I have ever tried, might keep 1 or 2 for myself), Bush Steak, Plum Regal, La Roma, Big Beef.

As far as peppers. Just the usual stuff. Cal-Wonder, Jalapeno, Banana. Already sown Hot wax, Marconi, and Lunchbox.

Sewed Stars and Stripes Eggplant. Admitting this is mostly for production, but might offer some of the plants if I have really good germination.

Next up were the Herbs. Sweet Basil, Spicy Globe Basil, Dark Opal Basil, Cinnamon Basil, Lemon Basil, Mint, and Dill. Already have Oregano and Sage, but wouldnt mind a few more flats of those. I might have to buy a few from the Wholesaler.

And finally the Flowers. Dwarf Bedding Petunias, Strawberry Blonde Marigolds, Sunny Smile Sunflowers, and Thumbelina Zinnias. Already started some other Marigolds, Eskimo and French Vanilla. A very interesting flower called Stock, and.... something else that eludes me at the moment.

So, I have been busy. But did find some frost covers in my supplies that I forgot about.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/SVq39WHl.jpg[/IMG]

These are rated for 6-8 degrees. Found these just in time, as the next 2 nights is supposed to get down to 39 or so.

FourOaks February 19, 2018 04:44 PM

This morning I had to run to town to get some Vermiculite. While I was out, look what I found.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/MpLChRAl.jpg[/IMG]

These are Dillon 84 Cell Plug Trays. I got 56 of them. FREE!! There was a small mountain of 512 Cell Trays as well. I didnt get any of those. I really dont have any use for them. Although its hard to say what the future might hold. So I can kick myself for not getting them.

Might have to go back tomorrow to get some. Meanwhile, I did sow 7 trays... after first cleaning them with soapy water and a shot of Clorox Cleanup Spray. These previously held assorted "Supertunia's". No indicator what supplier they came from, which I find shocking.

None the less free is always welcome. :yes:

clkeiper February 19, 2018 05:49 PM

I have used the 1801 deeps. I truly disliked them after the sheet was broken apart. they tend to fall over in the tray pretty quickly and are hard to stand back up and keep upright to water them. just my experience.I used them for herbs and tomatoes. total pain in the backside for me. be prepared. I went back to regular 1801's last year. Good score on the plug flats though.

FourOaks February 19, 2018 06:41 PM

[QUOTE=clkeiper;684395]I have used the 1801 deeps. I truly disliked them after the sheet was broken apart. they tend to fall over in the tray pretty quickly and are hard to stand back up and keep upright to water them. just my experience.I used them for herbs and tomatoes. total pain in the backside for me. be prepared. I went back to regular 1801's last year. Good score on the plug flats though.[/QUOTE]

In the past I used 1 quart pots. This year trying something different.

Yes, free is always good.

FourOaks February 20, 2018 04:37 PM

Well, it was killing me. Just knowing that there was a landslide of 512 Cell Plug Trays just setting there. So.. I went for a little drive this A.M.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/fsPv6X2l.jpg[/IMG]

These jumped into my truck. About 58 of them. Sadly, a drop in the bucket compared to how many was left behind.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/8v7gagjl.jpg[/IMG]

Loading them up with seeds. Gotta give them a test run. Some of my seed is fairly old, so I wont be surprised at all if I have spotty germination.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/glpfGU6l.jpg[/IMG]

So far, I like this better then mass/community sowing. Time will tell. I do know that I need to get a Mist Head for the water hose. Or something very similar.

Rajun Gardener February 20, 2018 05:05 PM

Nice score!!!

I have superhots started in one and have been bottom watering. It's working and I should be transplanting in a day or so.

FourOaks February 20, 2018 05:46 PM

[QUOTE=Rajun Gardener;684536]Nice score!!!

I have superhots started in one and have been bottom watering. It's working and I should be transplanting in a day or so.[/QUOTE]

One of these pump sprayers work pretty well. You can adjust the spray pattern.

[url]https://www.lowes.com/pd/Project-Source-0-396-Gallon-Plastic-Tank-Sprayer/3711310[/url]

FourOaks February 20, 2018 05:50 PM

[QUOTE=Rajun Gardener;684536]Nice score!!!

I have superhots started in one and have been bottom watering. It's working and I should be transplanting in a day or so.[/QUOTE]

Just today I noticed that my Reapers are starting to pop up. Taking their sweet time. So far though, only 3, out of a bunch. Im holding out though.


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