HELP!! Identify variety!
 

Could someone help try to identify this tomato. My grandma sent me seeds of this tomato she found in an open-air market in the Green Bay Wisconsin area labeled simply as "heirloom" or "wisconsin heirloom" a few years ago and we have been planting it ever since. It seems to be some kind of "cuor di bue"/oxheart type? Any help would be appreciated. The photos are of the last fruit of the season, so they're not reflective of the quality of the tomato (smaller, etc.) but it helps to give an idea. We're growing it again this year so I could send more photos later.

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Hungarian Heart? :?!?:

Dan

looks more pear shaped than heart shaped to me?

I thought I did a long post here discussing the difference in shapes between heart shaped varieties and albenga/piriform shapes, the latter being pear shaped, and I linked to several varieties to illustrate both.

I linked to German Red strawberry for the heart shape and an albengo one , maybe Lugaria, and Cueno as examples of piriform ones.

Maybe I did it elsewhere?

If not. I can do it again.

What you have is not a heart, it's a pirifrom one which is the opposite of a heart. Hearts are large at the top at the stem end and taper down to the blossom end while the piriform ones are small at the top and much larger at the bottom.

And now I even remember discussing the various Costolutos which are about the same but named for the place where they were first noticed, such as Genovese ( Genoa) and Fiorentino ( Florence) and did that b'c it's the same with the piriform ones.

So someone please let me know if I did tha tpost elsewhere.

Carolyn

I tried to search the forum for it, but could not find it. Could you please look for it? Thanks!

[QUOTE=carolyn137;489666]I thought I did a long post here discussing the difference in shapes between heart shaped varieties and albenga/piriform shapes, the latter being pear shaped, and I linked to several varieties to illustrate both.

I linked to German Red strawberry for the heart shape and an albengo one , maybe Lugaria, and Cueno as examples of piriform ones.

Maybe I did it elsewhere?

If not. I can do it again.

What you have is not a heart, it's a pirifrom one which is the opposite of a heart. Hearts are large at the top at the stem end and taper down to the blossom end while the piriform ones are small at the top and much larger at the bottom.

And now I even remember discussing the various Costolutos which are about the same but named for the place where they were first noticed, such as Genovese ( Genoa) and Fiorentino ( Florence) and did that b'c it's the same with the piriform ones.

So someone please let me know if I did tha tpost elsewhere.

Carolyn[/QUOTE]

It definitely looks like a pear-shaped (piriform) tomato to me. I am growing Belmonte Pear, and it's very similar in shape to that.

[QUOTE=nwheritagegrdn;489710]It definitely looks like a pear-shaped (piriform) tomato to me. I am growing Belmonte Pear, and it's very similar in shape to that.[/QUOTE]

I do know Belmonte, I've grown it and it's pink, not red as suggested by Tania

[url]http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Belmonte#tab=General_Info[/url]

But you capitilized the P in pear, and I don't know of one called Belonte Pear.:)

Carolyn

[QUOTE=carolyn137;489666]I thought I did a long post here discussing the difference in shapes between heart shaped varieties and albenga/piriform shapes, the latter being pear shaped, and I linked to several varieties to illustrate both.

I linked to German Red strawberry for the heart shape and an albengo one , maybe Lugaria, and Cueno as examples of piriform ones.

Maybe I did it elsewhere?

If not. I can do it again.

What you have is not a heart, it's a pirifrom one which is the opposite of a heart. Hearts are large at the top at the stem end and taper down to the blossom end while the piriform ones are small at the top and much larger at the bottom.

And now I even remember discussing the various Costolutos which are about the same but named for the place where they were first noticed, such as Genovese ( Genoa) and Fiorentino ( Florence) and did that b'c it's the same with the piriform ones.

So someone please let me know if I did tha tpost elsewhere.

Carolyn[/QUOTE]

I checked my own profile and couldn't find it either, so I'll leave the important conclusions above and just link to the examples I gave.

First, a heart shaped one, German Red Strawberry:

[url]http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/German_Red_Strawberry[/url]

And now two piriform/ Albengo shaped ones

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Liguria[/url]

[url]http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Cuneo_Giant_Pear#tab=General_Info[/url]

And you can add the Belmonte one that was just mentioned:

[url]http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Belmonte[/url]

And it wouldn't be a Wisconsin heirloom since the piriform ones are mainly from Italy and some in France, but it's thought by some that the ones in France were taken there by some Italians moving to France.

But there are also many immigrants from italy and elsewhere who moved to the midwest, including WI, so it doesn't surprise me at all that this one showed up in Green Bay.

Carolyn

I grew Liguria a few years back (From N. Italy). Your's looks similar. I'm growing one this year that is called "Goat Sack" that may be the same tomato. Jeff : )

I think this variety has also been named, more recently, Goldman's Italian-American.

[QUOTE=gardenfrog;490536]I grew Liguria a few years back (From N. Italy). Your's looks similar. I'm growing one this year that is called "Goat Sack" that may be the same tomato. Jeff : )[/QUOTE]

Jeff I just did a search about a month ago re Goat Sac, Goat Bag, Goat's T*T and more, and none of them are related to the Liguria/Albengo ones.

Best I cfando is link you tothis thread originally from Garden Web, now Houzz.

[url]http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/2241405/goatbagyour-thoughts-please[/url]

Carolyn

[QUOTE=gardenfrog;490537]I think this variety has also been named, more recently, Goldman's Italian-American.[/QUOTE]

I don't think so.

First, it's good to know that in Italy now there are many fruits sold that are F1 hybrids that LOOK like what the heirloom varieties look like, as quite a few folks and some seed vendors have found out, sadly.

I know Baker Creek got in trouble on this issue from seeds they got from Italy that turned out to be a mess when distributed. Right now I can't remember the variety name but I remember that Reimers had the same problem with the same variety/

Amy did buy it from a roadside stand as noted in the link below and please note in this link that she dehybridized it, whatever it was so it was not OP ( open pollinated) to start with as would have been true for any of the various named piriform ones known to have originated in Italy..

[url]http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Goldman%27s_Italian-American[/url]

Carolyn

Hahaha Goat Sac and you minded some of the names I came up with Carolyn? hahahaha

[QUOTE=tam91;490562]Hahaha Goat Sac and you minded some of the names I came up with Carolyn? hahahaha[/QUOTE]

I only mindede ONE of the names you suggested and that was Gorgeous George, which I pointed out to you was the name of a famous wrestler.:lol:

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgeous_George[/url]

But then you went back to the family you got the seeds from, got some more info and the use of the name, and then we debated if it should be

Italian Ribbed

or

Ribbed Italian.

:lol:;):?:

Please get out there and find another family heirloom and if you again ask me to help with naming it as I hope you will, here I am, willing and eager to do so.:D

I know how exciting it can be when you score your first family heirloom and here I sit trying to remember what my first one was, not from SSE, not from any seed catalogs, but from my being in contact with someone who gave me the seeds.

I guess I could go back to one of my earliest SSE Yearbooks and check, but I won't bother, all to know the wonderful feeling when I scored that first one, which then led to many many more.:)

Carolyn

New photos. Probably doesn't help too much though. lol
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