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gssgarden July 21, 2018 10:49 AM

She forgot the lemon juice...
 
When she made her sauce. Quarts and pints and they have been given a long bath already.

She only put onion, garlic, herbs, a little sugar, s&p.

What do you think the shelf life will be?

Thanks!

imp July 21, 2018 12:18 PM

How long did she cook the sauce down? I'd plan on opening them and adding some lemon to each and re process for safety. Lids are not expensive and your health could be.

ContainerTed July 21, 2018 01:12 PM

I would ask about water bath vs. pressure canning. Which was used? Also, my family practices say not to put ground black pepper in. If you used salt, was it canning/kosher salt and how much?

These questions and your cautious questions are why I only do "juice". It makes the sauces and other things taste so much better to have fresh seasonings and whatever else you're putting in there.

If you used a water bath canner, I already agree with Imp. If you used a pressure canner, then my questions might have a different conclusion.

gssgarden July 21, 2018 01:59 PM

She cooked it down for 2 1/2 hours. No pressure canner but boiled them for quite a while after.

Kosher salt, moderate amount she says, ground pepper.

imp July 21, 2018 02:37 PM

I would strongly suggest that you re-process the tomatoes. I know, I know, it's more work but better to play safe than become very ill. Botulism is sneaky and you cannot see, smell or taste it, but you sure can get sick and yes, even die from it.

ContainerTed July 21, 2018 04:09 PM

I have to agree with Imp. What you're faced with now is why I chose to do everything in our pressure canner. Water can only reach 212 degrees F in a water bath canner. In a pressure canner, the temp can be safely taken to 253 degrees F which will kill even botulism.

A new 16 quart Presto pressure canner can be had for about 90-100 bucks (less if found on sale). It is SOOOOO worth the piece of mind you gain about what's in the jars. You can even eliminate some of those additives that really distort the taste of things (because you are killing everything in the jar that could hurt you). Look up the temps and pressures medical folks get in an autoclave when sterilizing surgical instruments. It makes a lot of things about canning a lot more clear and logical.

gssgarden July 21, 2018 04:25 PM

Thanks guys! The lids are cheap. She's going to do it all again. No big deal to me. Lol

Going to empty jars into pot, boil, wash jars, and can again.

You're right. Better safe than sorry!

ContainerTed July 21, 2018 04:37 PM

I told this story to my DW and she said it might be less additional work to just put the sauce into freezer bags and freeze them this time around. We also called a few of our neighbors who have been canning for decades and the opinions we got ranged from "Definitely Redo" to "What's the problem". I'm like Marsha (Ginger2776) in that I tend to feel safer when I stick with science.

Good luck with that project. Gotta go. The next thunderstorm is coming in.

Worth1 July 21, 2018 04:44 PM

If it were me I would use lime juice not lemon.:roll:

Worth

mikemansker July 21, 2018 08:12 PM

[QUOTE=Worth1;708998]If it were me I would use lime juice not lemon.:roll:

Worth[/QUOTE]


Why would you use lime juice, what is the advantage over lemon?

Worth1 July 21, 2018 09:43 PM

[QUOTE=mikemansker;709024]Why would you use lime juice, what is the advantage over lemon?[/QUOTE]

Flavor.

Worth

imp July 21, 2018 10:42 PM

Bottled lemon juice is a determined minimum acidity, lime is not. It's a safety issue, not a flavor issue. Both the main government pages on canning and the Ball book state this. And not every one likes the flavor of a lime with their tomatoes or other things.

GrowingCoastal July 21, 2018 10:53 PM

[QUOTE=gssgarden;708993]Thanks guys! The lids are cheap. She's going to do it all again. No big deal to me. Lol

Going to empty jars into pot, boil, wash jars, and can again.

You're right. Better safe than sorry![/QUOTE]

Oh, such a drag but you will feel good about eating the redo's.

Worth1 July 22, 2018 12:27 AM

[URL]https://www.healthycanning.com/fresh-lime-juice-all-new-ball-book-of-canning/[/URL]

imp July 22, 2018 01:00 AM

And not everyone likes the taste of lime in their canned tomatoes. <shrug> I can taste lime even after a period of time and it seems to promote indigestion for me, where with lemon or even orange, my stomach does fine. The only lime I do like is Sonic's cherry limeade.


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