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Andrey_BY May 15, 2017 01:16 AM

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These jars remind me the same 3l jars full of dried mushrooms we had in Soviet Union every year.

And these are my mushrooms highlights from 2016, Part 1:

bower May 15, 2017 09:41 AM

Andrey, wow, just gorgeous, and the pic of your daughter is priceless!!! :love::lol:
The palette of mushroom colors in those mixed baskets is so beautiful and pleasing to me. :yes: It is ironic, the common mushroom dyes (for cloth) that I know produce very much the same range of colors - completely different (not edible!) mushrooms of course, but they could be used to paint a picture of their delicious edible cousins. :D

@ Randall, mmmm ★★★★akes look great! Someone gave me a plugged log once but it didn't produce any. ★★★★ake is one I would bother to grow if I could, because i do love the flavor. But I think we are a bit on the cold side for them.

I did grow Reishi mushroom from a kit some years ago, but it was an indoor not outdoor grow for us. It was cool to have a mushroom in the house. ... but a little messy when they released their spores. :roll::surprised: I would grow Reishi again though.. love it! 8-)

GrowingCoastal May 15, 2017 02:01 PM

Andrey, beautiful! So much fun when children get into it.

Now, as a counter point, the vampires of the woods?
Here's one that made me do a double take when I first saw one a few years ago in a pine forest.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Zk8jrGC.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/NF4F8F6.jpg[/img]

[url]http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/nature/the-bleeding-tooth-fungus.aspx[/url]
"The mushroom contains atromentin, a chemical with effective antibacterial and anticoagulant properties. The colourful pigments are also used to dye fabrics."


Related to this Hydnum, the hawk's wing. Bitter as anything! I won't eat it again, even parboiled as suggested. Daughter did not taste any bitterness. Go figure!
[img]http://i.imgur.com/zAr3uur.jpg[/img]

GrowingCoastal May 15, 2017 02:08 PM

Is there a definitive answer to the question of whether it is best to cut or to pull out a mushroom? Matsutakes are supposed to be pulled out. And that is a tough job! They are very firmly rooted on their mycelium underground. What about other varieties?

bower May 15, 2017 02:15 PM

Coastal, awesome pix of the Hydnellums! I have collected lots of them including the wierd anticoagulant one, looks freakish alright and will stain your hands when picking. That whole group makes excellent dyes. :) Mostly browns as a whole dye, but you can get prints of their motley colors from slices, too.

bower May 15, 2017 02:29 PM

[QUOTE=GrowingCoastal;639991]Is there a definitive answer to the question of whether it is best to cut or to pull out a mushroom? Matsutakes are supposed to be pulled out. And that is a tough job! They are very firmly rooted on their mycelium underground. What about other varieties?[/QUOTE]

Much debated. :?!?: After many years harvesting the same patches of tooth mushrooms (the big repandums), I definitely prefer to cut those rather than pull. They don't seem to respond well to the deep disturbance, may stop coming in that spot. Also they sometimes regrow from the stump left in the ground if there is even a little bit of cap left... then I get to pick the same mushroom twice.:)
Chanterelles don't seem to mind either way. But I'm not sure... maybe depends how hard you pick the patch. :?!?: I know I've seen one patch ruined and never returned to its former glory - but I have no idea what those other pickers did (except pulled everything in sight - according to what was left).:(

Worth1 May 29, 2017 04:19 PM

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Can anyone tell me what these are, I have them coming up all over the place this year.
Been here a long time and never seen them before.
Worth
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Randall May 30, 2017 09:26 AM

I'd call those Armillaria spp.

They're a little overgrown to tell which species exactly

bower May 31, 2017 08:57 AM

My thoughts too, they are overmature so it gets harder to tell... if there weren't enough little brown mushrooms in the world to be confusing anyway! :dizzy:
There are some steps I would follow if I wanted to know what a mushroom in my garden is. First is to find a group which contains immature as well as mature specimens if possible. This way if there is an annulus (ring around the stem) you will find it at earlier stages. Secondly dig or pull the mushrooms right out of the ground and take a picture to see the shape of the stipe (stem). Third, cut a specimen right down the middle of the stem, cap and all. Take another picture. This will show gill attachment characters and important colors. If the gill color is different in immature specimens, picture or note that as well.
Fourth and extremely important, take a specimen and cut the stipe away from the cap. Place the cap on a piece of white card or paper, gills facing down, and either bag it or cover it with a bowl overnight. This will produce a spore print - the color of the spore print is extremely important in the gilled mushrooms especially, as it will allow you to rule out whole families with the wrong color of spores. 8-)
Most of the little brown gilled mushrooms are in the "No Eatums" category for me, the risk of confusion is large so I would rather just avoid them, personally, while so many others are well known , easily identified, and faves. :D
OTOH if you have a large patch that repeats, why not find out what they really are. :yes:

Worth1 May 31, 2017 09:04 AM

This stuff is not native to this area.
It came up from Kellogg's raised bed soil from last year.
No way in he'll am I going to get involved in eating wild mushrooms.
One mistake and if you live through it you are screwed.
We did pick and eat the white one's growing up.
Worth

MrBig46 May 31, 2017 09:34 AM

Worth,
I was surprised you wanted to collect and eat forest mushrooms. :D
The photo is nice, thanks for it. Under one photo nobody knows what a fungus is.
Vladimír
PS.: We are saying here: There are three types of mushrooms.
- eatable
- not edible
- only once edible (these are learning to know kids at elementary school)

dmforcier May 31, 2017 11:42 AM

I was reading the Wikipedia article on Armillari. It's a very interesting beast, with about 10 species. Some of the largest organisms on earth are Armillaria. They grow on dead tree roots and other dead tree material, sometimes killing the tree to make more dead roots. Your pictured group appears to be growing among elm sprouts, perhaps coming up from roots of a cut back tree?

Armillaria are considered great delicacies in eastern Europe, but not all species are directly edible, requiring boiling first. One species (in U.K.) [I]does not[/I] mix with alcohol.

It would be nice to get a good identity on your new crop.

Nematode May 31, 2017 12:29 PM

Tipplers bane. I believe the the active compound in that shroom is the basis for antabuse which will make one violently ill if alcohol is ingested, theoretically preventing one from continuing on that path.

Worth1 May 31, 2017 01:36 PM

[QUOTE=dmforcier;643894]I was reading the Wikipedia article on Armillari. It's a very interesting beast, with about 10 species. Some of the largest organisms on earth are Armillaria. They grow on dead tree roots and other dead tree material, sometimes killing the tree to make more dead roots. Your pictured group appears to be growing among elm sprouts, perhaps coming up from roots of a cut back tree?

Armillaria are considered great delicacies in eastern Europe, but not all species are directly edible, requiring boiling first. One species (in U.K.) [I]does not[/I] mix with alcohol.

It would be nice to get a good identity on your new crop.[/QUOTE]

Dennis the elm sprouts are from millions of seeds I have to deal with every year.
The Kellogg's stuff is full of wood chips and byproduct.
The soil in this whole bed is full of the main mushroom organism body whatever it is called.
I have no doubt it came in the bags of Kellogg's.
Worth

NarnianGarden June 1, 2017 01:41 PM

You know, in fact [B]all[/B] mushrooms are edible.
Some of them only once.
:shock:

Randall June 26, 2017 05:10 PM

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I ran across one of my favorites on the hike today.

Laetiporus cincinnatus (Chicken of the Woods)

upcountrygirl June 26, 2017 05:31 PM

That looks awesome, Randall!

bower June 26, 2017 09:08 PM

Those are beautiful! :D We don't have them here, so I've never tasted.

Nematode June 26, 2017 10:24 PM

Randall, what was the host?
They grow on oak here and I can't say I've had a good one.

Randall June 27, 2017 07:41 AM

This one was growing from Oak, also (specifically the roots of a dying Oak).

I usually find L. cincinnatus this time of year at the base of dead Oaks and L. sulphureus further into summer and all the way up until the frosts of late Fall.

While I've never found L. cincinnatus on anything other than Oak. I've found L. sulphureus on Hickory a few times and once on Sassafras.

They're excellent when young but definitely get woody if too mature.

bower June 27, 2017 09:05 AM

Well that explains why we don't have em! No oak. No hickory or sassafras either. :lol:
I planted some boreal oak here quite a few years ago when I started many kinds of trees from seed. They've had a hard time and are still pretty small. One issue is whether the place planted turns out to be somewhere they can drive a root down as they like to do, some places here are no good as they will strike the solid rock down there. The ones that grew best have been chowed by moose on a yearly basis and are pretty much good for a shilelagh with a knob of spikes on top. :? I was surprised that boreal oak is not well adapted for our climate here... they leaf out really late, well after the other trees, so the season is even shorter than it is. :surprised: Maybe if I could get seed from its farthest habitat north they'd be better adapted. :?!?:

Randall July 4, 2017 09:57 AM

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This one isn't edible. It's poisonous but interesting: Boletus sensibilis - a red-capped, blue-staining bolete that stains so readily, you can write on it with a twig.

While out yesterday, I ran across several of them and other toxic mushrooms but no good edibles!

Nematode July 4, 2017 09:59 AM

Does the cap flesh stain blue?

bower July 4, 2017 10:08 AM

I've noticed that the boletes with red colors and blue stain are often the first to pop up around here.. before the good ones are about. Except for Boletus badius which is also early and blue staining, however no red color on it at all.
In my books, any sign of red on any part of a bolete is a no-eatum. :o:shock:
I've had several blue staining types that are delicious, however. :) Butter yellow flesh, and when dried they smell like honey... just like B. edulis.

Nematode July 4, 2017 10:16 AM

Bi-color boletes are in the edulis clan and are edible and delicious.
They look very much like randalls picture, the pores stain blue but the flesh does not, or does so very faintly and slowly, the red coloration may go higher on the stipe with bi-color.
Sensibilis flesh stains blue.
Bi-color tends to show later in the season, and can be the most abundant shroom around here. Most delicious in the "button" stage.
Get expert opinions before eating.

Worth1 July 4, 2017 10:26 AM

Use the Royal food taster.:lol:

Worth

Randall July 4, 2017 10:26 AM

[QUOTE=Nematode;651970]Does the cap flesh stain blue?[/QUOTE]

Yes, along with the inside of the stipe a little. Instantly. Another good identifier is B. sensibilis has a really thick spore tube layer compared to B. bicolor

@Bower, it seems to be the same way here.

@Worth, lol I wouldn't even let the Royal taster try this one unless I meant for him to enjoy a week of gastrointestinal torture.

Randall July 15, 2017 08:41 AM

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Cantharellus lateritius (Smooth Chanterelle) in the first two shots.

Cantharellus cibarius (Golden Chanterelle) in the second two.

After some good rain they've really started to pop. Tasty stuff.

bower July 15, 2017 01:25 PM

How cool is that lateritius! 8-) Totally smooth.

Nematode July 18, 2017 04:35 PM

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These will go nicely with pork chops tonite.
Bicolor boletes.
Pores blue quickly, flesh blues faintly and slowly or not at all.

Ha just had to check my pocket to see if I remembered to pick up my keys.


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