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Nan_PA_6b May 23, 2018 11:40 AM

1. Yes, it's yellow, so you have a red not a pink mater.
2. Some ripe maters have green shoulders. The green shoulder trait is linked to tastiness.

3. The softening makes me think they're ripe, but let some ripen further to be certain.

4. Most importantly, how do they taste?


Rajun Gardener May 23, 2018 11:49 AM

I didn't taste them. It was late and I just rushed through the process to save a few seeds. I'll give a report later.

bower May 23, 2018 12:16 PM

Sometimes green shoulders are from sunscald too. You might avoid seeds from the green part, they are less likely to be 100% viable if unripeness or sunscald is cause of the green. Seeds from the red part should be ripe and ready. :)

You definitely have a yellow epidermis and a red fruit, which is exactly what you would expect. Campari is a red parent and that's the dominant color trait, both gf (black fruit) and clear epidermis (pink or purple fruit) are recessive traits, you will expect them showing up roughly one in four of your F2.

BTW is Campari an OP? If it's not a 100% stable OP, then you would have variation in the F1 for the less than fixed traits like shape. So if you're seeing different shapes on different F1 plants, best to save seeds from the one you like best, for sure. 8-)

Rajun Gardener May 23, 2018 01:15 PM

Thanks Bower! That makes sense of the shape on some of these. I think Campari is a hybrid and something I didn't think about. The Campari's would be F-2 when I made the cross. I guess I'll label fruit shape and keep seeds separate to use later.

Rajun Gardener June 11, 2018 09:38 AM

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I've been saving seeds and labeling them by shape, some have more of a point than others. I found one that's shaped like the original Campari. These taste like the Campari, not sweet with a good acid flavor and lots of juice. Growing these out should be fun.

One unexpected bonus, this plant is still producing in the heat while most others have shut down. I'm guessing it's like most other cherry tomatoes. What makes cherry tomatoes continue to produce in high heat?

bower June 11, 2018 05:28 PM

Looking good!

I really don't know why cherries tend to tolerate heat better than others. I think heat tolerance like cold tolerance is a complex trait and additive ( so you end up with the sum of whatever different genetic parts are contributing to the effect). It seems like maybe cherry fruit could be linked to a positive heat tolerance trait. So in spite of the other contributing genetic parts, they tend to score high in temperature tolerance. :) Just guessing...

Rajun Gardener June 12, 2018 09:34 AM

I grew 25 different varieties of the best tasting tomatoes mentioned on Tville. Yesterday we did a taste test of some and my cross ended up in the top 3. The tasters were 4 adults and it seems we all like the same strong acid flavors. We didn't rank them in order but just listed them as a good tomato and worth growing again.

These were the top 3:
Campari X Brad's Black Heart
Aunt Ginny's Purple
Cherokee Carbon F-2

Brandywine OTV was close

These were considered the worse, I wouldn't exactly say worse but just a weaker flavor profile.
Red Barn
Limbaugh's Legacy
Porter's Pride
Mayo's Delight
Big Red
Orange Slice F-3

I had a friend over tasting who's also growing most of these and he said his Orange Slice was better from his garden. I'm guessing the soil makes a difference in taste, he has raised beds and I'm growing in ground.

I'm glad everyone like the flavor of the cross, now I need to try to keep it going forward.

Rajun Gardener November 8, 2018 01:04 PM

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A friend of mine grew some of the F-2 seeds for me. He only had a few plants and had to pick them since they were splitting from all the rain and now next week he has some cold weather coming so that's it for his season.

I didn't expect a plum shape but I guess it works since one is a productive determinate plant. I'm waiting on his report on flavor.

I have 15 plants growing now in the GH so hopefully I'll get a black.

Thought's on his pics.

rhines81 November 8, 2018 09:47 PM

They don't look like good eating tomatoes, but they look like excellent saucers. I'd pick seeds from the most unblemished (for marketing, assuming the taste was the same) and continue from there. They are pretty gnarly looking for the most part.

Darren Abbey November 9, 2018 08:40 PM

Looks like you've got lots of fun ahead of you.

Rajun Gardener February 20, 2019 10:43 AM

I snapped a few pics of the F-2's I have growing in the greenhouse. These look promising as far as shape goes now the waiting game on the color.

These pics look the same but I was trying to get the shape of the tomato. I don't remember what cross this is and I hope I can find the note from planting the seeds. It's either one of the following
Siberiam X Rebel Yell
Compari x Brad's Black Heart F-2
Compari X George Detsikas
Compari x Rebell Yell F-1

It's hard to see but the shoulders have a dimple and are almost square.

bower February 20, 2019 02:22 PM

Nice to see you getting a jump on the season. Good times. :)

Koala Doug February 21, 2019 11:13 AM


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