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Worth1 September 4, 2016 01:36 PM

[QUOTE=loulac;590843]Don't you think you are a bit overdoing it ? This must be your Texan touch. The point is I have been young much longer than you have.

I read your post at 10 o'clock French time, you wrote it at 3 a.m. Texan Time. Do you ever sleep ?:lol::lol:[/QUOTE]
Normally Texans dont say what they dont think at least they used to.
Here is an explanation of the 2 TPI idea.
I want to cut french checkering in steel or something close to it.

It would take some time but it can be done.
You cut one whole thread it doesn't have to be to full depth
Then you evenly mark out lines around the work starting at the first thread without removing the work.
Remove work rotate to next mark and cut threads keep doing this for all of the threads repeat cutting the left hand threads.
If you skip a given amount of those indexed marks going both ways you will end up with diamonds in the pattern.
Say cut 5 threads skip 3 marks cut 5 threads., what ever the count would need to be to end up right at the end.
To get the amount of line spacing you would use the same formula you would use for cutting gears.
This is the same process used to cut multiple start threads.

Worth.

dmforcier September 4, 2016 02:19 PM

[QUOTE]..though Texans are said to have a tendency to exaggerate a bit from time to time...[/QUOTE]<ha ha> It's said here in Texas, too. There is an old guy on the radio that tells stories about Texas. He always has good stories and as far as I can tell, they are accurate. But he closes his segment with, "This has been 'Stories from Texas'. Some of them .. are true."

[QUOTE]The point is I have been young much longer than you have.[/QUOTE]
Now [I]that[/I] is a superb turn of phrase. Mind if I steal it?

Worth1 September 4, 2016 03:58 PM

I bet the neighbors are getting sick of my loud right angle grinder out side cutting the last two radius on a metal table.
I have ear plugs in so I cant hear it.:))

Worth

Worth1 September 4, 2016 06:11 PM

Not taking any pictures of the process but I have stopped using the grinder and am hand fitting with a half round file, almost there.
Before I started that I used a file and a square to get everything in line.
When I get tired of the fitting I stop and start filing the top to get it smooth and flat by draw filing.

Worth

Worth1 September 4, 2016 06:37 PM

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Here are a couple of shots I am taking a break.

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Worth1 September 4, 2016 10:16 PM

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Getting set up the weld the right hand side I couldn't ask for a better fit.
Once it is tacked up I will work on the left side more so it fits right and is the right length.
The right hand side is the side I did with a grinder and files.
I will have to put 7 little tacks on it to keep it from moving on me during the final welding.
Two at the top three on the side and two on the bottom.

I might do it tonight as coffee even one cup makes my hands shake a wee bit doing small welding like this.
Worth

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dmforcier September 4, 2016 11:07 PM

Nice work! I can see where you're going now.

Worth1 September 4, 2016 11:45 PM

Thanks.
I dont normally grind off welds but in this case I am.
Which means I will have to make a few passes on the big vertical V you see.
It will be contoured to fit the shape of the curves to help maintain the old styling, not just a chunk of steel.
It will in a sense become an ogee.
Worth

dmforcier September 5, 2016 12:16 AM

Ogees are deco. Deco rocks.

I have bad tinitus. (Too many Who concerts.) I could take the whine of a grinder for maybe 20-30 minutes, then I'd go nuts. Your neighbors must like you.

Worth1 September 5, 2016 12:34 AM

[QUOTE=dmforcier;590999]Ogees are deco. Deco rocks.

I have bad tinitus. (Too many Who concerts.) I could take the whine of a grinder for maybe 20-30 minutes, then I'd go nuts. Your neighbors must like you.[/QUOTE]

At least I dont do it at 3 in the morning I only sleep about 4 hours a day.
Last night I went to bed at around 6 in the morning and got up bright eyed and bushy tailed at around 10 AM.:lol:
Worth

loulac September 5, 2016 03:12 AM

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[QUOTE=dmforcier;590914]"I have been young much longer than you have"
Now [I]that[/I] is a superb turn of phrase. Mind if I steal it?[/QUOTE]
[FONT=&quot]I feel obliged to [I]r[FONT=&quot][I]ender [/I][/FONT][/I]unto [I][FONT=&quot][I]Caesar the things that are Caesar's. In fact I translated the caption of a cartoon found on a site of geriatrics. You are of course welcome to use it whenever you find an opportunity ![/I][/FONT][/I][/FONT]
[I][FONT=&quot][I]This is the picture, now you can brush up your French :lol::lol:[/I][/FONT][/I]

Fusion_power September 5, 2016 03:19 AM

[QUOTE]Texans are said to have a tendency to exaggerate a bit from time to time...[/QUOTE] This is an understatement if I ever heard one. lol :) :D

I'm going to purchase this table saw tomorrow. When it is through the electrolysis bath and has been painted and buffed clean, I'll take a picture and post it here. I think I can get it back in commission in about 12 hours. this includes cleaning and re-aligning the trunions. The belt can be easily replaced at my local auto parts store. They carry utility belts that work on table saws and honey extractors. Cost is $75 and it is a 3HP Craftsman tablesaw.

[URL]http://www.selectedplants.com/miscan/tablesaw.jpg[/URL]

loulac September 5, 2016 04:50 AM

[QUOTE=Fusion_power;591016]I'm going to purchase this table saw tomorrow... Cost is $75 and it is a 3HP Craftsman tablesaw.[/QUOTE]

[FONT=&quot]Do I understand that saw has a 3 HP motor ? with that power you could cut 10’’ logs. I’m waiting for a whole picture, with safety shields, sawing guides etc[/FONT]

henry September 5, 2016 06:40 AM

Expect the 3HP is start up power and it really is a 1HP motor.

dmforcier September 5, 2016 12:02 PM

Let me try a semi-literal translation: "To be old, is to be young longer (during a longer time) than the others, that's all."

There was a time when one could buy a saw without all the Federally mandated safety doodads. I would want a fence, though.

loulac September 5, 2016 12:27 PM

[QUOTE=dmforcier;591055]Let me try a semi-literal translation: "To be old, is to be young longer (during a longer time) than the others, that's all."[/QUOTE]

You deserve an A. Always a pleasure to discuss the subtleties of languages.

All the best

Fusion_power September 5, 2016 02:20 PM

I don't want to hijack Worth's thread, but here is the summary on the table saw.

It is missing the belt, miter, rip fence, rails that attach to the table for the fence to clamp, on/off switch, blade protector, and 2 pieces required to assemble the legs.

It has a good 3 HP motor, and that is 3 running HP, not just startup. The trunions are in good shape but the threaded rods that adjust blade angle and height need to be cleaned of surface rust and lubricated. Both extensions are in good condition though they need to have the rust cleaned off of the top surface.

I have a 1 HP Craftsman table saw that is essentially identical so I know what needs to be replaced. A friend here in town has the rails and rip fence that I can purchase for a few dollars. He put an expensive fence and rails on his saw a few years ago and removed the OEM parts to do so.

Oh, and I got it for $60 after complaining a bit about everything that is missing. I'd have paid $60 for the motor!

Worth1 September 5, 2016 02:41 PM

Here is the deal on the motor.
It has two capacitors one is a start and the other is run.
It is 3 HP, no motor has a set of start winding that are more powerful that the run winding.
If is the other way around the run winding is less powerful and all it does is bump the motor out of phase so to speak to get it spinning then shuts off by way of a switch after the rpm's get to a certain speed.
I also bet the motor will run off 220 if wired the right way.
If you are serious about using the saw get the Incra miter and fence set up.

Worth

Worth1 September 5, 2016 05:19 PM

Got one side welded up last night.
The other side very close to being ready.
Several time I caught myself going to the grinder only to stop myself and say no idiot use your files.
The phrase getter done and I dont go together.
To me it represents poor workmanship and slop, seen it too many times.

Worth

Worth1 September 5, 2016 06:47 PM

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Here it is almost completed and it slides up and down the ways like no tomorrow and no wobble or any alignment problems.:D
Just a few spot I need to fill and some contour grinding.
I might just leave the welds as they are on the top and not grind them, nothing I cant do later.

Yep welding in sandals.:lol:
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One of the ugly welds.
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Personal protective equipment for the lathe.
Tig welders dont throw sparks but if something goes wrong they will.
It would kill me to get one stuck to the ways.:no:

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dmforcier September 5, 2016 07:08 PM

Nice fill.

These look like they slide free on horizontal ways. What about when the thing is set vertical, as in drill press mode?

Worth1 September 5, 2016 07:17 PM

[QUOTE=dmforcier;591104]Nice fill.

These look like they slide free on horizontal ways. What about when the thing is set vertical, as in drill press mode?[/QUOTE]

The thing isn't complete yet this was just the hardest part.

The bottom with have a flat plat with two more of these half rounds welded to it.
It will have a stud coming up through the one I just made in the center.
On top of the one I just did will have another steel plate with a long slot.
the stud will go through it and there will be a locking handle.

On that top plate will be where the tool rest is attached.

Sort of like in this picture of an old Yates American lathe from the late 30's where I got the idea from.

[IMG]http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/images/1608-A.jpg[/IMG]

Worth1 September 5, 2016 07:33 PM

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Here is one of my metal yards on someone else's place the guy on the front end loader is my neighbor ladies son and his place.
We hauled it all off for free from a woman that was mad at her X husband.:))

Took two big trucks and two days to get it all.

Plus I have a big stack of stuff on my place.

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Worth1 September 6, 2016 05:56 PM

I'm at a stand still I have the bottom clamping device completed but I cant make my mind up how I want to join them together.

Worth

dmforcier September 6, 2016 08:12 PM

As per picture, single central stud with wing nut or lever?

Worth1 September 6, 2016 08:31 PM

[QUOTE=dmforcier;591261]As per picture, single central stud with wing nut or lever?[/QUOTE]


Just got through making the stud.
It is 1/2 fine thread NOT "all" thread, it is a stud.
It will be threaded in the bottom plate with nuts on top and bottom to lock in it place.
The top part of the stud is also fine thread where the locking handle will be.
I did it this way so I could index where I wanted the handle to lock at.

I will go to the old school auto store tomorrow to get the nuts it isn't worth my time to make a 25 cent nut.

I like fine threads because it requires less force/torque to get the same amount of pressure against two pieces and they are less likely to come loose.
The stud was threaded long on top so I could just cut off what I dont need.


Worth

dmforcier September 6, 2016 08:42 PM

Okay, I don't get it. Why attach to the bottom plate at all? I guess I'll have to wait and see what you do.

Definitely fine thread.

Worth1 September 6, 2016 08:50 PM

[QUOTE=dmforcier;591268]Okay, I don't get it. Why attach to the bottom plate at all? I guess I'll have to wait and see what you do.

Definitely fine thread.[/QUOTE]

The bottom plate gets squeezed to the top plate but the ways are in between.
This acts as a break to keep the carriage from moving.
It also will lock the other sliding piece to the top plate that I haven't made yet.
My other lathe has the same setup the stud is attached to the bottom plate.
This way you dont have to fiddle with two ends of a stud when you tighten just the top one.
I am just about out of Argon.

Worth

Worth1 September 6, 2016 10:02 PM

I had a general contractor ask me once could you at least wait a little bit before hauling off scrap iron I had my eye on that stuff.:))
He asked me what I was going to do with it and I told him fabricating small projects.
Between the two of us we carried off all kinds of stuff.
Stuff most people wouldn't have the gumption to see something else in it other than trash or scraps.

Worth

AlittleSalt September 6, 2016 10:58 PM

Quote:
Texans are said to have a tendency to exaggerate a bit from time to time...

[QUOTE=Fusion_power;591016]This is an understatement if I ever heard one. lol :) :D

I'm going to purchase this table saw tomorrow. When it is through the electrolysis bath and has been painted and buffed clean, I'll take a picture and post it here. I think I can get it back in commission in about 12 hours. this includes cleaning and re-aligning the trunions. The belt can be easily replaced at my local auto parts store. They carry utility belts that work on table saws and honey extractors. Cost is $75 and it is a 3HP Craftsman tablesaw.

[URL]http://www.selectedplants.com/miscan/tablesaw.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]

I had to get creative on that quote...

Now the Texan reply - You're gonna need a propane backup fer that table saw in case the power goes off. If ya run out of propane, it wouldn't hurt to have nearby windmill to tap into fer energy. Ya can't rely on a solar backup cause it might be raining. Not many of us have nuclear power plant stashed out in the cow pasture so I guess that one is out?

A little Texas humor.


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