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clkeiper February 2, 2018 04:24 PM

I haven't thought much about it. I just hate seeing an empty structure for the season. I think it is a waste of growing space.

FourOaks February 2, 2018 04:32 PM

So, Zinnias, specifically the dwarfs. How many per pot? Im thinking about using 5 inch Azalea pots. Im thinking 5 or 6 to a pot? I think they prefer having a little room, so I dont want to over do it.

I havent decided for certain, but thinking of getting some 96 cells to start them in and transplant, vs. direct sowing.

FourOaks February 2, 2018 04:33 PM

[QUOTE=clkeiper;681020]I haven't thought much about it. I just hate seeing an empty structure for the season. I think it is a waste of growing space.[/QUOTE]

Understandable. Any garden crops that you can grow there that would benefit, based on your climate?

Cole_Robbie February 2, 2018 05:02 PM

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[QUOTE=FourOaks;681023]So, Zinnias, specifically the dwarfs. How many per pot? Im thinking about using 5 inch Azalea pots. Im thinking 5 or 6 to a pot? I think they prefer having a little room, so I dont want to over do it. [/QUOTE]

I grow Short Stuff and Zinnitia dwarf zinnias one to a pot, usually trade-size gallon pots. Some other varieties might be smaller and lend themselves better to multiple plants per pot, but I'm happy with mine just one plant per pot.

Here's a pic, zinnias on the left, you can see the yellow one on the corner has slightly smaller flowers - that's a Zinnitia:

FourOaks February 2, 2018 05:29 PM

[QUOTE=Cole_Robbie;681034]I grow Short Stuff and Zinnitia dwarf zinnias one to a pot, usually trade-size gallon pots. Some other varieties might be smaller and lend themselves better to multiple plants per pot, but I'm happy with mine just one plant per pot.

Here's a pic, zinnias on the left, you can see the yellow one on the corner has slightly smaller flowers - that's a Zinnitia:[/QUOTE]

Hmmmm.....

I have Thumbelina Zinnias. I was thinking that Dwarfs were single stem??

I guess not. I guess they branch out.

Excellent.


Nice display by the way.

clkeiper February 2, 2018 05:30 PM

I would lean towards veg. Crops if anything. I do farmers markets and it is far easier to get nice produce undercover.
Lettuce would be my first try. I hate picking dirty lettuce.

FourOaks February 2, 2018 08:28 PM

Not to beat a dead horse, but I dont know why I was thinking multiple Zs per container. I guess it helps when you read the description.. :cute:

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[B]Description[/B]

(6-8”) Thumbelina Mix Zinnia features a unique, bushy, compact and extra dwarf habit with fully matured plants. A colorful mixture of 1-1/4” flower blooms.[/quote]

FourOaks February 2, 2018 10:01 PM

Since we have been discussing Flowers for all seasons, heres another potential Fall offering

Cool Wave Pansies. I did not know these existed. These are pansies that are destined for hanging baskets. They were developed by the breeders of Wave Petunias. My understand, like regular pansies, they enjoy the cooler weather.

A perfect addition for fall sales.

[URL]https://parkseed.com/images/xxl/51488-pk-p1.jpg[/URL]

FourOaks February 3, 2018 11:21 AM

Well, my list is getting longer.

Somehow I forgot about Geraniums for Spring and Summer. Heres an excellent pdf curtesy of Alabama A&M and Auburn on care and maintence.

[URL]http://faculty.caes.uga.edu/pthomas/hort4040.web/ANR-1106.pdf[/URL]

According to them, Red is the overwhelmingly preferred color. White the least.

They are easy to care for, and if you dont sell them, just upgrade to a larger pot or basket. If I recall, they overwinter fairly easy, and you can take cuttings easily as well.

The last time I took some to market (couple years ago), they sold like hot cakes, in 4 inch pots (if I recall). I believe $5 each? I only had an 8 count or 12 count tray? I bought them on a whim from my wholesaler. I swiped a few out of the tray to plant in our Mailbox Planter.

I know last year a vendor had baskets, that sold VERY well.

Cole_Robbie February 3, 2018 01:10 PM

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I did ok with my fall mums and Montauk (Nippon) Daisies, but not as well as I had hoped. Customers are simply less excited about buying fall flowers than they are spring flowers.

For late summer flowers, these Dahlias took a long time to grow, but lasted all summer in just a trade size gallon pot. The plant would bloom, then the blooms would die off, and then it would bloom again. I left one plant out in the frost. It looked dead when I brought it inside, but now I have green sprouts coming up out of the base of it.

[url]https://www.harrisseeds.com/collections/dahlia/products/20271-dahlia-harlequin-mix[/url]

Pic was taken in late October. This was my last spring flower left that still looked good:

FourOaks February 3, 2018 02:05 PM

Those are nice looking Cole.

Looking at Harris, they state 16 weeks. That is a lengthy period. Looks like they are similar to germinating and growing out of Pansies, in regards to needing cool temps and darkness.

And that actually brings up experiments that I have been running this season. I have a seed starting rack located in a "Mud Room" that has very little heat. The rack can accommodate 16 flats under lights. By simply placing painters plastic (drop cloth) over the rack, it completely changes the environment.

With out plastic, under the lights its right around 65 degrees. I currently have some tomato seedlings along with Stock and Eucalyptus there. Thats toward the bottom of the unit.

With plastic covering, under the lights, its about 78 and crazy humid. Thats the upper section. I have my pepper seedlings there, and the results are promising.

If you place the flats on top of the T8 Ballasts, under the plastic section, its closer to 85-90 degrees and nearly 100 % humidity.

I also have another rack, in a heated room.

This all came about because of needing different environments to start different seeds. I would much rather do this for as long as I can, then to heat a greenhouse.

BigVanVader April 23, 2018 09:26 AM

Has anyone tried Black eyed susan vine for HB's? I saw they have multiple colors now and figured they would be a great easy addition to my wave petunias and calibrachoa. [url]https://www.harrisseeds.com/collections/thunbergia/products/20515-thunbergia-blushing-susie[/url]

clkeiper April 23, 2018 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=clkeiper;680703]I run the injector for the whole season. on occasion I turn it off. I usually run 200ppm give or take a few... I don't measure with a scale.... usually ~ 1# to 5 gallon water and change fertilizers throughout the life cycle of the produce. I use Millers fertilizer for most of the vegetables.

and Jacks petunia (w/iron) food for the hanging baskets house for the whole season.[/QUOTE]

oh my. I need to make a correction here. I use 1 pound of fertilizer per 1 gallon of water and make a 5 gallon bucket at a time. I then inject that at 200 ppm. (DO NOT use this concentration for straight fertilizing. you will kill your plants. )

My Foot Smells April 23, 2018 12:36 PM

[QUOTE=clkeiper;696730]oh my. I need to make a correction here. I use 1 pound of fertilizer per 1 gallon of water and make a 5 gallon bucket at a time. I then inject that at 200 ppm. (DO NOT use this concentration for straight fertilizing. you will kill your plants. )[/QUOTE]

As a consumer, I love the "drop & bloom" mixed containers. They have a variety of different flowers and work great in hanging baskets, pots, etc...

Just an fyi for market growers looking for a $ maker. Figure a lot of ppl are lazy like me and just want to chunk something in a pot and not buy a bunch of different to mix and match, etc...

Cole_Robbie April 23, 2018 01:19 PM

Speaking of flower plans, I am just about to pull the trigger on dahlia tubers and plant my high tunnel in them. I have read that the larger-bloomed varieties do much better under plastic, away from storms and wind.

[url]https://www.edenbrothers.com/store/dahlia_bulbs.html?[/url]

I'm thinking I will try 3 mixes - the dinner plate, the giant bloom and the cactus. I literally rolled my pennies and the rest of my change, and I am going to use that money. I have heard the expression of 'rolling pennies to buy gas' as a metaphor for being broke. Perhaps rolling pennies to buy flowers to plant is one step above that.

clkeiper April 23, 2018 01:49 PM

[QUOTE=My Foot Smells;696739]As a consumer, I love the "drop & bloom" mixed containers. They have a variety of different flowers and work great in hanging baskets, pots, etc...

Just an fyi for market growers looking for a $ maker. Figure a lot of ppl are lazy like me and just want to chunk something in a pot and not buy a bunch of different to mix and match, etc...[/QUOTE]

for us we use 5 or 6 different types of fertilizer for the season. early, a transplant solution, a bloom solution, a veg. solution, a calcium mag solution... in 50 pound bags as we grow not only blooming plants but our main crop is actually vegetables for farmers markets.

PureHarvest April 23, 2018 05:54 PM

Cole I am growing 8 varieties from the karma series to do cut flowers. We’ll have to trade notes on plugs versus tubers.
I did buy 5 tubers of a dinner plate from a farm in Wisconsin, and 4 out of 5 rotted in Promix HP.
I was trying to force them indoors to take cuttings and increase the amount of plants I would have.
It was nicely moist, not soggy and the temps were around 70. Not sure if it was me or the tubers, as this is my first time with this. I have been a grower in general for 30+ years, so I have to think it was the stock but I am honest enough to say I don’t know every plant and maybe I missed something.
Are you gonna do cut flowers or pot up and sell the plants?

Cole_Robbie April 23, 2018 07:34 PM

I think I read that the tubers should get an anti-fungal treatment when they are dug up. The ones you planted may have not had the right treatment or storage before you got them, just a guess.

Cut flowers is the plan. I am hoping the dinner plate and cactus varieties will prosper in a high tunnel environment. The comments to some of the Eden Brothers pages mention them replacing non-sprouting tubers for their customers. I will see how it goes. My high tunnel dirt is ridiculously dry. I am going to go hose it down tomorrow to try to get some moisture into the soil. I know too wet is bad, but it's like the surface of the moon in there.

I also picked up a quarter pound of this sunflower mix, looked like a good deal:
[URL]https://www.edenbrothers.com/store/sunflower_autumn_beauty_seeds.html[/URL]

RJGlew April 23, 2018 07:42 PM

[QUOTE=Cole_Robbie;696743]Speaking of flower plans, I am just about to pull the trigger on dahlia tubers and plant my high tunnel in them. I have read that the larger-bloomed varieties do much better under plastic, away from storms and wind.

[url]https://www.edenbrothers.com/store/dahlia_bulbs.html?[/url]

I'm thinking I will try 3 mixes - the dinner plate, the giant bloom and the cactus. I literally rolled my pennies and the rest of my change, and I am going to use that money. I have heard the expression of 'rolling pennies to buy gas' as a metaphor for being broke. Perhaps rolling pennies to buy flowers to plant is one step above that.[/QUOTE]

Careful with the AA (giant) mix - the flowers are huge, > 10", the plants produce them later & do not produce too many of them. Typically the smaller the blooms, the more of them you'll get. With that said, I do not have market experience so cannot comment on customer behaviour and likes. imho, of the mixes you are considering, the cactus mix will get you the largest number of saleable flowers.

Consider tagging the tubers as to size & colour, learn how to properly split them (1 active eye per tuber), and you'll have another item to sell to gardeners next spring.

Your supplier prices look pretty high. Some of the varieties they offer are really common, for example Kelvin Floodlight, Cafe au Lait & Garden Wonder are all available from Home Depot (here) for $8.99 CDN for 3 tubers - likely less in the USA. If you have a dahlia society in your area that's a good place to get good inexpensive named tubers to bolster your offerings.

Lots of folks use sulphur as a fungicide. In the fall I shake my dry tubers in a plastic bag with a peat/sulphur mix until they have a light coating. You'll still need to check them through the winter to make sure they don't start rotting. And since they are originally from Mexico, they cannot take any frost.

Here is a web site from a gentleman who had a small business going until a couple of years ago - some good information. [url]http://www.sidsdahlias.com/[/url]

Good luck.

Cole_Robbie April 23, 2018 07:57 PM

Thanks for the help. I did ask one local florist, and she said she would buy anything I could grow. She said she pays $8 a stem shipped to her store, giant ones are more.

Based on my experience with mums last fall, I am trying to not have many pink dahlias. No one wants to buy a pink flower late in the summer or in the fall.

RJGlew April 23, 2018 07:59 PM

[QUOTE=PureHarvest;696785]Cole I am growing 8 varieties from the karma series to do cut flowers. We’ll have to trade notes on plugs versus tubers.
I did buy 5 tubers of a dinner plate from a farm in Wisconsin, and 4 out of 5 rotted in Promix HP.
I was trying to force them indoors to take cuttings and increase the amount of plants I would have.
It was nicely moist, not soggy and the temps were around 70. Not sure if it was me or the tubers, as this is my first time with this. I have been a grower in general for 30+ years, so I have to think it was the stock but I am honest enough to say I don’t know every plant and maybe I missed something.
Are you gonna do cut flowers or pot up and sell the plants?[/QUOTE]

In the spring don't give the tubers any water until they sprout (on their own) or else there is a chance you'll rot them.

clkeiper April 23, 2018 08:03 PM

@RJGlew "Lots of folks use sulphur as a fungicide. In the fall I shake my dry tubers in a plastic bag with a peat/sulphur mix until they have a light coating. You'll still need to check them through the winter to make sure they don't start rotting. And since they are originally from Mexico, they cannot take any frost."
thank you. I stored some big beautiful gladiola corms last Fall but figured there was something I should have done to them.

RJGlew April 23, 2018 08:07 PM

[QUOTE=Cole_Robbie;696814]Thanks for the help. I did ask one local florist, and she said she would buy anything I could grow. She said she pays $8 a stem shipped to her store, giant ones are more.

Based on my experience with mums last fall, I am trying to not have many pink dahlias. No one wants to buy a pink flower late in the summer or in the fall.[/QUOTE]

That sounds good. Nice market research work.

Earwigs & Rose Beetles love them - the flowers only of course - so be careful.

RJGlew April 23, 2018 08:12 PM

[QUOTE=clkeiper;696817]@RJGlew "Lots of folks use sulphur as a fungicide. In the fall I shake my dry tubers in a plastic bag with a peat/sulphur mix until they have a light coating. You'll still need to check them through the winter to make sure they don't start rotting. And since they are originally from Mexico, they cannot take any frost."
thank you. I stored some big beautiful gladiola corms last Fall but figured there was something I should have done to them.[/QUOTE]

np - I'm not sure about glads, I don't grow those. For my dahlias I mix the sulphur with peat in the shaking bag since I find that gives me a finer coating of sulphur than if you use it pure. I've never read about doing this anywhere but it works for me.

Cole_Robbie April 27, 2018 06:41 PM

My dahlia tubers arrived today. I just now planted my high tunnel.

clkeiper April 28, 2018 08:13 AM

I had dahlias and glads in the same box to store. the tubers didn't fair so well but the glads look great, I think. at least what I pulled out look fine so far.

Patihum April 28, 2018 05:37 PM

All the dahlia tubers I've received so far have gone into baggies with some damp peat/vermiculite into a crate that sits on top of my grow lights. As they eye up/sprout I'm putting them into barely damp potting mix in 7 inch pots and put in the greenhouse. I'm trying to get a jump on them having enough growth to survive the heat of summer here. Light watering once they have good sprouts on them. I'll put them in a raised bed as soon as our temperature starts staying above 50 at night.

Stocks and snapdragons are in already. Still waiting for warmer nights for the statice, clary sage and phlox to get planted along with the shasta daisies and the pinks/carnations. Things are getting close to being root bound thanks to the crazy weather and the late planting.

FourOaks April 28, 2018 06:34 PM

Been a while since I have chimed back in on this topic. My flower sales could be doing better, but I will take what I can get. Thats all we can ask, right? On the other hand, my vegetable seedlings are selling very, very well. No complaints in that department.


Today my Sunny Smile Sunflowers made their first appearance at the Market. They were a hit once the customers started showing up. I sold out, of the 18 that I took, within 2 hours time. Hopefully my others start blooming. A quick look thru what I have in the GH, looks like another dozen will start blooming tomorrow or the next day. Hopefully I can round up a total of 18. I do like the staggered blooming. I would rather have a lesser quantity each week, then all of them at once.


My Strawberry Marigolds simply arent looking the hottest. The Zinnias are going slow. The Waves are starting to really fill out the baskets, and finally sold some today.


Just glad that the icy grip of Mother Nature has finally let go.

Cole_Robbie April 29, 2018 02:10 PM

Did you get the dwarf sunflower idea from me? I sold all of mine on Saturday, too, even though they were smaller than normal and freeze-nipped around the edges. I'm surprised no one else at my market is selling them yet.

I'm new to planting flower bulbs/tubers. I don't really understand why they leave all the little sweet potato-looking things on the dahlia tubers, when the eye is coming up from the central stem. It would be a lot easier to cut all the rest off, but I imagine it is there for a reason, so I left everything intact.

FourOaks April 29, 2018 03:33 PM

[QUOTE=Cole_Robbie;697596]Did you get the dwarf sunflower idea from me? I sold all of mine on Saturday, too, even though they were smaller than normal and freeze-nipped around the edges. I'm surprised no one else at my market is selling them yet.

I'm new to planting flower bulbs/tubers. I don't really understand why they leave all the little sweet potato-looking things on the dahlia tubers, when the eye is coming up from the central stem. It would be a lot easier to cut all the rest off, but I imagine it is there for a reason, so I left everything intact.[/QUOTE]


I did get the idea from you, yes. Some of the bottom leaves were damaged, but no one seemed to mind.


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