A larger Jaune Flammée
 

I love Jaune Flammée: great taste (I like 'em tart), beautiful fruit and a pretty good producer. I'd like something similar in a larger tomato so this year I started with some crosses. The only one that took was with Paragon. I'll grow it on but next season I'll cross JF with Aunt Gertie's Gold to get some size. I also like PL foliage but that would be a bonus. I'm not expecting to get exactly what I want in the F2, but I should get something to work with. It may require a backcross or two along the way to get the taste and colour but that's part of the fun.
PS I posted something similar over on the General Discussion forum but this seems like a more appropriate place.

What About...
 

Why Paragon, Ray.

Wouldn't you be better crossing it with a large orange like Kelloggs Breakfast?

The only known crosses I'm growing this year are F4 Kelloggs Breakfast and Akers West Virginia. And Lucky Cross F4. Both are doing well.

All the best, Grub :D

Paragon because it has the shape and size I'm after, and because it was the plant next to the JF. I also tried with Sioux, Marianna's Peace and Orange Heirloom but only the Paragon cross took. I didn't grow any Kellogg's Breakfasts. I put this to the folks over at the GardenWeb tommy forum. The three recommendations were: AuntGertie's Gold (I like that idea), Kellogg's Breakfast or Yellow Brandywine. I didn't have any of these in the ground this year.

JF Cross
 

I have a good strong JF growing. Hmmm. Maybe I could cross the Jaune Flammee with a Golden Monarch? Justa thought. Good growing, Grub.

Big Yellow
 

UPDATE: Ray, if you happen across this thread, I have sent you Golden Monarch seeds so you can get JF taste in a big and pretty yellow with excellent taste as it is.

When did you send them Grub? I haven't seen anything yet.

My Seed Share
 

I sent you a pile of seeds inc. some for Finbar about a month ago or more. Hmm.

Oh, I just assumed they were Finbar's so I stuck them away with my passport!

The JF x Paragon seeds have just popped their heads above ground. I must say I was rather surprised at their tardiness compared to other more stable varieties. I naively expected them to fairly leap out of the ground being hybrids - hybrid vigour and all that. Anyway, they up and growing. I'll do another cross this year using Aunt Gertie's Gold and get my son to grow out the F1. He lives in the subtropics so has a winter that works well for tomatoes.
I'm excited!

Sounds interesting.
I missed growing JF this year and will probably have it
back again for 07.
However, a larger sized version does sound quite nice!

Lee

Hi Ray. How are they coming along now? I could try crossing JF with Kellogs Breakfast and or Azoychka as they are all flowering well at the moment. I'll select some suitable flowers later today.
Hope you have a better season this year eh.
Mantis

Successful cross with Azoychka I think. Time will tell.

A cross with KB would give the required variability for size. Don't know about Azoychka.
Anyway, since I have a cross, which is doing very well by the way, I'll pursue it. I've decided I don't want to lose another year.

Not sure on this cross now as Azoychka is pumping out tomatoes like a machine. One minute a flower the next a tomato. So the one I thought I crossed could have been pollinated before I emasculated the flower. I will save seeds anyway and grow one out to see.

I have some F1s, though not quite what I expected. Both of the parents, Jaune Flammée and Paragon, are stable open-pollinated varieties so I expected to see a uniform first generation (F1), small and red in fact. I have two plants of the F1 and they are producing different tomatoes. One is medium-sized (that's a standard AA battery in the pic), orange with a pink internal blush, similar to Jaune Flammée, though the orange colouring isn't as striking and the flavour is good, but no more. The fruit also has green shoulders. The other is red and smallish (which is what I expected in the F1) with a rather elongated shape. Internally the colouring is a lovely rosy red and the flavour is very good.
The first looks more like what I'm after so that's the one I'll pursue into the F2. I'll probably grow a few seeds from the other just out of curiosity. Anyway, this all says to me that one or other (or perhaps both) of the original parents was itself crossed. Is that a reasonable conclusion given what I'm seeing in the F1?

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