http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/l...5310511.html?1
Above is a recent link from GW about the passing of the last Estler son. Few have posted in the thread b'c I think few know that the Estler one was developed before the Charlie Byles ( Radiator Charlie ) one.
But this original thread goes back almost three years ago now, and there are many new TV members now who might be interested.