Haha! would make me seem mysterious I think. But they are getting interested, more so each year. I will convert them yet. everyone here grows standard, usually hybrid determinates in cages. Just growing indeterminates is a reach for them, never mind the oddball heirlooms I favor. Most have never heard of a black tomato for instance. not even the common ones like cherokee purple nevermind your Elbonian mudball
