Beale, please don't take this the wrong way but I'm wondering why you are asking about those varieties in the LEgacy Forum since none of them are legacies of yore.
If you look at the other threads in the Legacy Forum I think you'll see what I mean, but no real problem since I'm sure some will answer you as Shelley did although I think it might have been better to start a thread in General Discussion where more folks might have seen it.
Carolyn