[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by JLJ_

Sandhill does have Giraffe (presumably Zhiraf/Giraffe)

FWIW, I accidentally found that Zolotoe Serdtse and Medovoe Serdtse were decent long keeping tomatoes -- though they're not listed anywhere as such that I know of. I picked them mature green and stored them in a cool area with cool plant lights over them and they ripened slowly over a period of months. I don't know if they behave that way consistently, but might be worth a try if you're looking for long keepers.

On thread topic -- the one I'm sad is (apparently) gone is Livingston's Aristocrat -- it was very popular a century ago, and the description is interesting -- I mention it occasionally in hope that someone will pop up and say "Oh, we've grown that one in this area forever!"

But even if not, the once popular tomatoes are probably not really gone, but are surviving intact as or as a component of finds like "Grandpa's favorite tomato that our family always grows."

My Sandhill catalog is over by my bed, it's the 2016, the 2017 hasn't come yet and I haven't been to the website to see if Linda has updated yet.

There is no Livingstons' Aristocrat. Here is the link to Mike Dunton's section on Livingston varieties and he's the authority on same

http://www.victoryseeds.com/tomato_livingston.html

However, there is a Dwarf Aristocrat that mike also mentions but via Burpee.

http://www.victoryseeds.com/tomato_b...r-century.html

Aha, so there once was a Dwarf Aristocrat but gone with the wind at least a century ago.

https://www.google.com/search?q=dwar..._AUIBygA&dpr=1

and that took me to tomodori and then to ventmarin

http://ventmarin.free.fr/passion_tom...ates_ds_dx.htm

.....last noted in what was it, 1913?




If I could find my Michigan 1939 papers I know I'd find other synonyms for it

You wrote

(But even if not, the once popular tomatoes are probably not really gone, but are surviving intact as or as a component of finds like "Grandpa's favorite tomato that our family always grows.)

and here's a good example

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Jean%27s_Prize

John Jones also told me that no one could remember the name of the original tomato so they renamed it Jean's Prize.

There are several examples like that but it's the first one I remembered.

(I accidentally found that Zolotoe Serdtse and Medovoe Serdtse were decent long keeping tomatoes)

I've grown both and offered them in seed offers and never saw them as long keepers, but where you grow,isn't it Wyoming, perhaps they might be.


Carolyn