Sorry you consider them thugs greenthumb..... I am desperately trying to get lots of them growing in my wilderness area, and that was what I thought they were at first as I have lots of little volunteers although they look a bit different because mine aren't so advanced.
It looks as if I will have lots of nurturing and you will have lots of pulling - unless you have a great area for a beautiful Elderberry bush or two (hundred) {LOL}.
Linda
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