Polish (Ellis)

Tomatovator · July 26, 2007

I am not sure where to post this but feel free to move it if you want. I am looking for a commercial source for Polish (Ellis) seeds. My best tomato this year. I need seeds for next year.

Adenn1 · July 26, 2007

I believe the Ellis strain is what is being sold by Tomato Growers Supply and by Heirloom Seeds here in PA. Both sell it as Polish Tomato and I believe Carolyn has noted that it is the Ellis stain.

You could also save a couple of bucks and just save seed from you own tomatoes.

**carolyn137** · July 26, 2007

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Originally Posted by Adenn1

I believe the Ellis strain is what is being sold by Tomato Growers Supply and by Heirloom Seeds here in PA. Both sell it as Polish Tomato and I believe Carolyn has noted that it is the Ellis stain.

You could also save a couple of bucks and just save seed from you own tomatoes.

What I've said is that Polish C, Polish (Ellis) and the one sold by Heirloom Seeds in PA seem to be about the same although I still prefer Polish ( Ellis).

I assume that the Polish sold by TGS is the Ellis strain b'c the words brick red are used to describe it and those are the key words that were originally used by Bill Ellis when he first listed it. Just conjecture on my part.

All these Polishes that I refer to above are a very deep pink and all PL.

And I also suggest saving your own seed from your own Polish ( Ellis) if you wish.

Tomatovator · July 26, 2007

Carolyn
I've tried bagging blossoms but they all have died. I did get tulle and put in around several blossom clusters but they just turned dark and fell off. I hate to keep wasting blossoms like this as they all could be tomatoes. I probably killed 15 blossoms so far. My plants are too close together to save seeds without protecting the blossoms somehow.

korney19 · July 26, 2007

Why don't you just let a cluster ripen without bagging, ferment the seeds and try growing it next year to see if it appears true to type? All you'd lose is one season...plus maybe save some $ if true to type.

Tomatovator · July 26, 2007

Korney
I only put in a small number of plants so if I get some that die or don't grow as expected it is a pretty big setback for me. For example I hope to put in 8 main plants next year, 4 Polish (Ellis) and 4 Marianna's Peace (our favorites this year). I will also crowd in some determinates that can be pulled mid season. So I don't want to take any chances with half of my main croppers.

bcday · July 26, 2007

I had quite a few blossoms dry up and drop off too, both bagged and not bagged, because of the hot weather we had a while ago. I expect pollination to be better now that temps aren't in the 90's.

Try to give the bagged clusters a few taps once or twice a day to shake some pollen loose too. Passing breezes don't shake bagged blossoms the way they do unbagged ones, so you can help with pollination by jiggling the blossoms a little bit yourself.

korney19 · July 26, 2007

How bout I send you Polish (Earl's) and Polish (Eckert's) and you save your own seeds from Ellis (bagged or unbagged, don't matter) and then grow all 3 next year?

amideutch · July 26, 2007

korney19, would like some information on Polish (Earl's). Thanks, Ami

**carolyn137** · July 26, 2007

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Originally Posted by amideutch

korney19, would like some information on Polish (Earl's). Thanks, Ami

Earl got his Polish from Heirloom Seeds as he's said before, so it really is not a specific strain and I suppose should not be called Polish ( Earl's) Just my two cents.

moucheur · July 26, 2007

I grew "Earl's" Polish last year and liked it a lot. Large pink beefsteaks, very tasty, fairly productive.

Thomas · July 27, 2007

The Polish I grew this year has large deep pink maters on it and is PL. I am pretty sure the seeds originally came from Earl...I got them from Bizz.

Whatever strain I got...it is now #2. #1 is Grandfather Ashlock

amideutch · July 27, 2007

All, thanks for the info on Polish (Earl's). I got some seed and was curious. Ami

**Dukerdawg** · July 27, 2007

I agree with Carolyn, and I bet Earl wouldn't want his name associated with Polish just because he sent seed out. What I had labeled Polish (Ellis) this year came out regular leaf with large pink beefsteak tomatoes. The flavor is just as good, but why this year on 2 plants regular leaf? Who knows...they were the last seed in the packets too. Should I save seed and call it Duane's Polish

LOL. No, I guess not.

barkeater · July 27, 2007

Why don't we forget these stupid strains as if they really make ANY difference at all. I will bet that the only "enhancement" a specific, named strain gives to a variety is almost 100% sure to be weather related.

One year you grow one "strain" of a variety, the next year another, and then one is picked as "better". Give me a break. Its all the same tomato, and the year to year difference in weather explains everything.

I find it disingenuous to try to pass off one as superior to another. Even worse, it convinces newbies as if they are somehow different varieties when they aren't.

The TRUE Polish, is Polish, is Polish. Period.

July 26, 2007	#9
amideutch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany 49°26"N 07°36"E Posts: 5,041	korney19, would like some information on Polish (Earl's). Thanks, Ami __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘...Holy Crap .....What a ride!'

July 27, 2007	#13
amideutch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany 49°26"N 07°36"E Posts: 5,041	All, thanks for the info on Polish (Earl's). I got some seed and was curious. Ami __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘...Holy Crap .....What a ride!'

July 27, 2007	#14
Dukerdawg Growing for Market Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westland, Michigan Posts: 861	I agree with Carolyn, and I bet Earl wouldn't want his name associated with Polish just because he sent seed out. What I had labeled Polish (Ellis) this year came out regular leaf with large pink beefsteak tomatoes. The flavor is just as good, but why this year on 2 plants regular leaf? Who knows...they were the last seed in the packets too. Should I save seed and call it Duane's Polish LOL. No, I guess not. __________________ May I aspire to live my life so that I may be the man my dog thinks I am.

July 26, 2007	#1
Tomatovator Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Zone 6 Posts: 461	Polish (Ellis) I am not sure where to post this but feel free to move it if you want. I am looking for a commercial source for Polish (Ellis) seeds. My best tomato this year. I need seeds for next year.

July 26, 2007	#2
Adenn1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Philly Posts: 559	I believe the Ellis strain is what is being sold by Tomato Growers Supply and by Heirloom Seeds here in PA. Both sell it as Polish Tomato and I believe Carolyn has noted that it is the Ellis stain. You could also save a couple of bucks and just save seed from you own tomatoes. __________________ Mark

July 26, 2007	#5
korney19 Buffalo-Niagara Tomato TasteFest™ Co-Founder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Niagara Frontier Posts: 942	Why don't you just let a cluster ripen without bagging, ferment the seeds and try growing it next year to see if it appears true to type? All you'd lose is one season...plus maybe save some $ if true to type.

July 26, 2007	#7
bcday Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NY z5 Posts: 1,205	I had quite a few blossoms dry up and drop off too, both bagged and not bagged, because of the hot weather we had a while ago. I expect pollination to be better now that temps aren't in the 90's. Try to give the bagged clusters a few taps once or twice a day to shake some pollen loose too. Passing breezes don't shake bagged blossoms the way they do unbagged ones, so you can help with pollination by jiggling the blossoms a little bit yourself.

July 26, 2007	#11
moucheur Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Boston, Mass. Posts: 50	I grew "Earl's" Polish last year and liked it a lot. Large pink beefsteaks, very tasty, fairly productive.

July 27, 2007	#12
Thomas Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 180	The Polish I grew this year has large deep pink maters on it and is PL. I am pretty sure the seeds originally came from Earl...I got them from Bizz. Whatever strain I got...it is now #2. #1 is Grandfather Ashlock

July 27, 2007	#15
barkeater Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NE Kingdom, VT - Zone 3b Posts: 1,439	Why don't we forget these stupid strains as if they really make ANY difference at all. I will bet that the only "enhancement" a specific, named strain gives to a variety is almost 100% sure to be weather related. One year you grow one "strain" of a variety, the next year another, and then one is picked as "better". Give me a break. Its all the same tomato, and the year to year difference in weather explains everything. I find it disingenuous to try to pass off one as superior to another. Even worse, it convinces newbies as if they are somehow different varieties when they aren't. The TRUE Polish, is Polish, is Polish. Period.