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April 12, 2009 | #1 |
Tomatovillian™
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Another support idea.
There is a thread in "Growing For Market " forum About supporting hundreds of plants:
http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=10907 Since this idea may also work for non-market growers, I am posting it here. I have not tried this because I have a different growing condition with my own unique support system. There are many systems to support lots of plants, each with its advantages and problems. Here is an idea for you guys to try out. Using netting or wire mesh stretched at an angle, the weight of the plants will naturaly lean on the mesh, so there will not be a need to tie branches back. Depending on what you are growing, most of the fruits may hang below the mesh for easy picking. This will give better sun exposure and may also be better for spraying. Just an idea to solve a problem with a different angle. dcarch
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April 12, 2009 | #2 |
Tomatovillian™
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dcarch, the creative juices are still flowing I see. Cucumbers and beans come to mind also with this type of setup. BTW, I like your hat.Ami
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April 12, 2009 | #3 |
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Hey, it's Easter
dcarch
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April 12, 2009 | #4 |
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D, with the weight of 5 full grown tomato plants plus the fruit; those wouldn't stand a chance. They would just blow over like a pile of dominoes here.
~* Robin
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April 12, 2009 | #5 | |
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The suspension system that I use is 30 feet long and ten-foot tall. I have been using the same system for about four years now and it had taken many wind stroms with no damage yet. dcarch
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April 13, 2009 | #6 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SoCal
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I'm going to price vinyl mesh in my area. I may actually have ideal conditions to test this. It would possibly be much cheaper than buying 20+ tomato cages and much easier to manage also. Plus, I would have an easier time anchoring the containers they're in. The weight would be on the mesh and not the container!
I have to grow in a 4' wide alley between a house and a 6' high fence. It's south-facing at least, and last year worked well, except for staking. I could raise the containers, move them to the lee of the fence when the plants are tall enough to still get sun, and run the mesh between bamboo supports on an angle. Possibly could run shade cloth over as well. The side benefit is that the shaded area underneath *could* cool everything enough to grow lettuce - and in the summers here, that's good!!! I'll keep you posted. |
April 13, 2009 | #7 |
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Making a gill net:
http://www.aircav.com/survival/asch08/asch08p11.html One could make a rectangular structure on the sides of the garden area, shaped like soccer goal posts, anchor it upright with a cable guy wire and bag of concrete with an eyebolt in it at the corners, or use those screw-in type pet anchors to anchor the guy wires, and then run the top suspension lines for the mesh between the horizontal top poles of the rectangles. The challenge would be anchoring the bottoms of the mesh to get that goat fence angle that dcarch showed. Screw-in anchors would work for that, too, but then you would need a pair for each row. Maybe a heavy 4x6 post or old railroad tie at ground level with a series of eyebolts in it for anchoring lines across the bottoms of the mesh would be cheaper. They do not need to come all the way to the ground, either. (The plant is not going to need support until it gets more than a foot tall.) One does need a cheap source of lots of parachute chord or something similarly sized that is pliable enough to tie the pictured knots with. If you mis-estimate how long your verticals are, it is easy to just tie on another piece and keep going. (Vinyl mesh or polyester mesh may be a lot cheaper and not require the work. Just attach it to the horizontal top and bottom lines with electrical wire ties or whatever.) The mesh does not have to be the size that one would see in a commercial gill net, of course. One could make the spacing between verticals at the top wider, for example, maybe 8-12 inches.
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April 13, 2009 | #8 |
Tomatovillian™
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For my other support system, I used Double Braided 2.2 mm nylon cords which I got from eBay. $25 for 3,000 feet SH included.
dcarch
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April 13, 2009 | #9 |
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Here is a leaning trellis system:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/avllesarah/2118108107/ The mesh is supported on horizontal wires that run between the posts, and pairs of posts are attached at the top with bailing wire.
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The idea is to have the tomato plant lean on the angled mesh trellis as they grow, and therefore elliminating the need to tie the branches back. the idea is also to have a system which will allow very tall indeterminate varieties. dcarch
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April 13, 2009 | #11 | |
Tomatovillian™
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that system. I just thought the construction details might be interesting. One could put two rows of indeterminates on the outside of the mesh and let them grow leaning toward each other, with the plants growing on top of the mesh. One would need longer poles than those used in the illustration above. It reminds me of bamboo supports that I saw in a AVRDC document. In those the tops of the vertical poles supported horizontal bamboo poles along the top, and they simply leaned vertical bamboo poles for each plant along the rows on either side against the top support, fastened them in place there with a piece of string, and tied the plants to the leaning poles as they grew. (The angle at which the plants grew in that bamboo system was similar to your original idea with the leaning panels.) If poles or panels that lean together are too short, one might need a very short person to walk down between the rows and harvest. (Perhaps a Tomato Picking Merit Badge could be invented for this.)
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