General information and discussion about cultivating onions, garlic, shallots and leeks.
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January 31, 2014 | #1 |
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fertilize onions and shallots
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In about a month I will plant onions and shallots. Do they like extra fertilizer during their growth? Or is it better to fertilize with dried cowdung a week before planting? |
January 31, 2014 | #2 |
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Depends how much of a crop you want. Tubers can be heavy feeders. You can start with amended soil, and then once a month supplement with an acidic form of nitrogen and a source of soluble phosphate. If you want to be "organic" I would recommend Fish Emulsion for the Nitrogen and Bone Meal for the phosphate -- but apply the bone meal about 3 weeks ahead of schedule. If you don't mind using water-solubles then I'd recommend using 21-7-7 Acid Forming formula with 11-45-8 Tuber Enhancer.
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February 1, 2014 | #3 |
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Can I use bone meal and blood meal (=organic nitrogen)?
And don't they need potassium? For my garlic, I will add a mix of compost, volcanic rockdust and organic fertilizer (dried kelp, nettle en alffalfa) with npk 2-2-2. Can I use that for the onions? |
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But if you want to stick with what you have, then amend the soil with the compost and organic fertilizer and afterwards provide monthly supplements of bone meal and blood meal.
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February 1, 2014 | #5 |
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Ok,
I found fish emulsion (5-2-2) and bone meal in the same webshop. The fish emulsion doesn't have a brand, I hope the quality is OK. Why do you think acidic nitrogen from fish emulsion is better? And do you use it also for garlic? I'm a bit restrained to use liquid fertilizer on top of onions(or shallots or garlic)...can't it harm them? Last edited by Itoero; February 1, 2014 at 11:24 AM. |
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Controlling soil-borne pests of tuberous vegetables is problematic. Keeping the pH near 6.0 -- particularly in the nitrogen source will discourage them. If you are concerned about the quality of Fish Emulsion, then I think you'd be horrified at the pharmaceuticals in blood meal and the metal content of volcanic ash.
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February 1, 2014 | #7 |
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I'm going to answer something without answering your last question.
For every new onion leaf is another layer of onion on the bulb. This means the faster it grows the bigger the onion. And I think too acidic soil will cause a hot onion. I like the hot onions for cooking. Too much sulfur will make them hot. When you see the first one start to bolt pull them all as they will keep longer. Leave some for seed. Worth |
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That's correct, but we're not talking about pH 5.
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February 2, 2014 | #9 |
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Ok
The BioBizz fishmix, is a fishemulsion, of several fish, with vinasse. Vinasse is mainly potassium, from the sugar beet industry in Holland. Do you know why it is said that potassium helps Allium's to survive freezing temperatures? Does potassium help to create some sort of anti-freeze? |
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February 2, 2014 | #11 |
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i used to come down on the side of alliums don't like too much fertilizing whether under lights or after going out. after some discussions with others i am going to fertilize my alliums like other plants. less is not better but don't over do a good thing either. bone meal, blood meal and compost at transplanting outside (standard) then chickity do do (started last year) 3 weeks later as a top dressing. spray with NH every 2 weeks vs 4 weeks (new). seedlings under lights will get more than just 2 dilute fertilizations with NH (new). i always knew bigger seedlings means faster and bigger plants which means larger bulbs but i had read that alliums don't need or like to be fertilized that much so i'd spray them once a month for 3 months. i don't think this is adequate tho i get respectable yields.
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February 5, 2014 | #12 |
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After several years of growing from seed, last year I ordered Copra onion plants from a place online. Dixondale Farms.
They recommend a fertilizer ratio of 10-20-10 to get the plants started, and then Ammonium Sulfate after the plants are established. I'm trying to grow with organic methods, so I use Manure, Rock Phosphate, and Greensand, plus a lot of compost. I get onions that are 3 inches around. Good luck all, Dick |
February 5, 2014 | #13 |
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I saw some website about a year ago where some guy was groing them the size of musk melons.
Let me see---- here it is. They're huge. http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j...91738963556245 Worth |
February 6, 2014 | #14 |
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hey yopper is that you in the picture? he uses a backhoe to dig his onions.
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February 6, 2014 | #15 |
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We used to get these big yellow sweet Spanish onions at the store that were 1/2 the size of a soccer ball.
I dont see them anymore but was told you could get them in the valley down south. They were so good it was a sin to cook with them. They were so good you didn't want to eat them you wanted to save them. Worth |
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