Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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March 15, 2017 | #1 |
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Best tasting determinate
Opinions on the determinate tomato with the best flavour.
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March 15, 2017 | #2 |
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"BEST" is difficult to qualify.
I may suggest SILETZ: It has a compact growth habit, about 4ft. It is bred by OSU for PNW. It is pathenocarpic. It is eary, has good fruit size bigger than all other early varieties that I have grown. I have picked ripe tomatoes from Siletz, in early July in north of Seattle, WA area. The fruits taste good.
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March 15, 2017 | #3 |
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Karen, I have grown a bunch of them through the years. My favorites are Sasha's Altai, my customers love those too, and Mountain Fresh, which is semi determinate for me, they are very good tomatoes, market quality. Some of the Saraev collection are good too, o-33, and a bunch that I can't spell without finding the packages. LOL
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March 15, 2017 | #4 |
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I like Sophie's Choice and Siberski Skorospelyi (?sp )
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March 15, 2017 | #5 |
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Some sites and people call this one a Determinate. Others call it a Semi Determinate. It grows/produces almost Indeterminate in our gardens - Bradley.
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March 15, 2017 | #6 |
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EM Champion is the best tasting determinate I have grown, unfortunately it is also the least productive. I think most determinate tomatoes where developed for market growers among whom taste was not the primary consideration. The very best tasting tomatoes I have eaten all are indeterminates that require a long season to develop their great flavor. I get two growing seasons each year, both end abruptly at about 100 to 110 days due to freezing or extreme heat. An 85 day tomato that ripens a few fruit at a time yields me 15 to 25 days of production amounting to about a dozen tomatoes in a good year. Most determinates produce loads of tomatoes and are finished by 100 to 110 days but lack the great flavor of those late indeterminates. The best balance of flavor and productivity for me are semi determinate varieties such as Break O' Day. I keep looking for those great tasting determinate tomatoes but I believe they are yet to be developed and will require a lot of effort for what is probably a small market.
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March 15, 2017 | #7 |
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Agree on all points. It's easy to see just from the lack of response here that there is a dearth of determinate tomatoes known for their good flavour. Agree that determinate breeding has generally focused on either earliness alone or commercial interests: mechanized harvest, disease resistance and concentrated fruit set which are all good qualities certainly but the breeders were not concerned with flavour.
I think it can be done though. Flavour needs to be the main focus of the breeding project which it generally isn't when commercial breeders are doing it. It is the primary focus of my own small projects. KarenO I should qualify that to say North American breeders because I agree there are some excellent flavoured Russian determinate heirlooms and even some commercial tomatoes. Chernomor (Black Sea man) is another good example. Last edited by KarenO; March 15, 2017 at 03:07 PM. |
March 15, 2017 | #8 |
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For breeding I would recommend very old variety Olomoucké nízké (Olmovic), at least to me it tasted a lot. It is from the time when there was mainly about taste.
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March 15, 2017 | #9 |
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March 15, 2017 | #10 |
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Karen, if you think of Bradly as a Determinate - it is one of our favorites. It's just difficult for me to think of as a determinate grown here.
I do agree that more emphasis needs to be given for flavor. |
March 15, 2017 | #11 |
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Hmm, some that I have loved.. Pearly Pink Orange (early, prolific, and tasty!!), Kluykve ve Sakhare (red, cherry/grape size), Dar Zavolzhya Rozovyi (pink slicer)..
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March 15, 2017 | #12 |
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Isn't Rutgers a determinate? Never grown them, but they carry a good name.
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March 15, 2017 | #13 |
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Some say that Paul Robeson is a determinate. I think that it is a great tasting tomato.
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March 15, 2017 | #14 |
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Maglia Rosa, Cole, and Sol Gold. They are compact determinates. I love the taste of Bradley as well. It's a much bigger plant, and possible semi-det. I have a det called Titan Red that is not too shabby as well.
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March 16, 2017 | #15 |
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Another vote for Cole! It's a very tasty determinate and very early as well! I'm just a bit south of you across the border, Karen, and it's always one of the first in my garden.
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