whats the big deal about leaf shape.

[Mantis]

Potatoe leaf tommys taste ten times better than Regular Leaf. There ya go

[cosmicgardener]

And that's my scientific opinion based on empiric evidence after and to the fact too. Only Stupice is the exception - it has a cheek even calling itself a tomato. And I have proof and evidence from my neighbours who both have PhD's in Factual Analysis and good taste buds and they agree - but then they are a bit opinionated.........

[markferon]

mantis I am not about to take the word of someone who exaggerates like you do.

mantis your eyes really bug me out.

[Mantis]

I only exagerated once on GW about the size of a Delicious tomato LOL.

[jerseyjohn61]

MarkFeron, do you know the difference between
a "sympathetic" and a "pathetic" character???
If not, let me shed some light.
A sympathetic type:
is one whom people wish to help because his
problems or condition are no fault of his own.
A pathetic type:
is one few wish to help because most of his
problems are of his own creation.

Many of us are curious about the state of your
postings and your mindset. Is there a mean spirit
to your approach to others, or prehaps just a
difficulty you may have with communicating with
others? Not wishing to be cruel, just helpful....JJ61

[TomatoDon]

I've tried to decipher some of this in four different languages, using every grammar and spell checker I can find, and so far have found no meaningful purpose in any of it. Looking for irrefutable scientific evidence to substantiate my opinions. I have a team at Harvard on it now. I doubt they will have much luck with it either. Give me another nerve pill.

[angelique]

Wow...Very deep. I rarely comment about other people's posts. I won't this time. However, I will give you my opinion on gardening. It is my opinion that hobbyist gardening should be fun. It should also be a learning process with timelines determined by the gardener. I started planting tomatoes, after being in school for almost 25 years (K-M.S. degree=5-30 years old). I really needed a break from the "scientific". I just want to have fun in my little garden. I also want a kitchen full of fresh tomatoes to share with friends and family. That's it; nothing more, nothing less.

The day that gardening stops being fun, I quit. That said, there are people that want to take the fun out of gardening. I just don't know why. Maybe, he or she needs a hug.

If emperical studies are needed, the related information should probably be sought out by the requestor's local university system and/or agribusiness companies.

Yes, I would love to learn more about the different types of tomato leaves. Unfortunately, this topic has strayed. I understand that we are not all at the same gardening experience level. For those of you with more experience, please be patient. If you have information or opinions to share, please do so in a nurturing way.

If you are trying to collect emperical data from Tomatoville members, I am sure that you could find volunteers for your future project. As a rule of thumb, most of the members here are always willing to help.

On a positive note, I would like to thank all of you that have helped me learn more about tomato gardening. I really appreciate your help.

Kindest Regards,

Angelique

[TomatoDon]

The voice of reason pipes in!

Thanks A!

Did I understand that you just retired from teaching? A great way to spend a life. Wish I had done it.

Don

[angelique]

Hi Don,

Thank you. Sorry about the confusion. No, I did not just retire from teaching. I started tomato gardening after I completed my M.S. Management of Technology. To make a long story short, I was in school from 5 to 30 years old without a break (I just turned 34). After completing my education and years of being a workaholic, I realized that I did not have any steady hobbies. I have a long list of things that I want to learn how to do, including:

Learning how to Salsa dance (I really have two left feet)

Learn how to cook pastries better

Learn how to veggie garden. At this point in time, flowers don't interest me yet.

Learn how to sew (I can only sew buttons and hems)

Learn how to paint (I had a really mean art teacher in 8th grade that told me that I would never learn how to paint).

Learn an instrument (maybe drums. My dad played the drums when I was a little girl. That's one of the only memories that I have of him)

Don't worry, I don't plan on learning all of these things today. I may shorten or add to the list as appropriate. Life is short and I want to try as many different things as possible.

Cheers,

Angelique

PS
I was in a teaching credential program. Taught under a temporary credential for a year. Then I went into the telcom industry for 4 years. When the company downsized, I tried to go back to the teaching program. With the No Child Left Behind Act, I would have had to take 7 under division classes just to be readmitted into the program. What would have taken me 1 or 2 years to accomplish will now take 3 years...Too bad.

[markferon]

i found it odd that some people can not stay on topic and try to make impolite personal comments and question the motives of the poster..

The reason I started this post was I wanted to hear real info and reasonable well observed info on this topic and not comments that have no relevance to the subject. The answers I got from those who commented on the relevant subject. Was that leaf type has no bearing on the outcome of the fruit in any meaning full way.


For those of you who made comments that had no relevance to the subject i suggest you take it elsewhere.

[TomatoDon]

Neat, A. Sounds like your husband will have his hands full! All your choices are good ones.

At one point I had only a few basic goals in life. To be a good Christian, to be a good husband, to be a good fisherman, to be a good gardener, and to be a good writer. I've been a failure by my standards at almost all, but I keep trying. I learned a long time ago, that no matter what it is, if someone has a clean passion, that keeps the life spirit going. We all have to have it. Tomatoes are my newest adopted love, and it's a good, clean, game. I've raised them a few years now, but not on the level I'm striving for now that I am meeting people like you. Loving it here where I can learn new things. I'll be an Heirloom guy before it's over!

Thanks for the reply.

Don

[markferon]

don try sending a pm instead of post off topic on threads in the future.

[Fusion_power]

MF, If you truly wanted to know about leaf forms and their impact on fruit, you would have done your homework first. Why haven't you been to the TGRC site to look at their photos of about 30 leaf forms? Why are you wasting everyone's time asking meaningless questions?

Here's my meaningful answer. At this point in time, you are clueless. You are the least on topic person around here.

Leaf form has little relevance to flavor. Flavor has little relevance to leaf form. Total leaf surface area however does have a relationship to flavor. On average, potato leaf plants have more leaf surface area therefore on average, potato leaf tomatoes tend to have better flavor. It might have something to do with most potato leaf varieties being indeterminate and by their nature, indeterminates produce more leaf cover.

Get a clue. Be polite to others.

Fusion

[TomatoDon]

Of the 27 replies here on, basically, "what does a potato leaf have to do with a tomato," only Mantis dared to tackle it in a common sense way by saying:

"Potatoe leaf tommys taste ten times better than Regular Leaf. There ya go."

That's what he said, and he gave a true, on topic, direct answer to your question, as requested, and then you insulted him by saying: "mantis I am not about to take the word of someone who exaggerates like you do. mantis your eyes really bug me out." You insulted his answer, basically called him a liar, and then even insulted the eyes on his avatar!

In the last few hours M has posted a warning right at the top of the page for you. Another of your repeated threads was deleted. Much of your gibberish has been ignored. But you keep on. You've insulted me, I think, five times in three days. Now, I give a polite reply to angelique, and that made you mad, too.

Mantis said a potato leaf is characteristic of a superior tasting tomato. Simple as that, and that is his opinion, and there is no empirical scientific evidence to substantiate it. No one can offer that. We can't explain taste to your specific satisfaction here. Or looks. There are pictures of potato leafed tomatoes on the net. A tomato tastes like a tomato, a potato leaf looks like a potato leaf, and I am a frustrated person trying to be nice.

Mark, we are not mean or unreasonable people. We are very patient people. We just don't understand some of the things you ask, the way you ask them, the replies you expect, and your paramaters are so tight that no one could possibly answer them to your satisfaction. We are tomato growers, not scientists, and that's the way we like it. I'm not trying to be short with you at all. We just can't seem to find a way to answer what you ask, in the way you want it.

Leaf form is only one of many characteristics of plant culture. I am totally new to this, but even I understand that a potato leaf is characteristic of certain varieties, and even I've seen them, at least, on the net.

I have one nerve pill left. Please don't make me use it.

Most cordially,

Don

and good night angelique...where ever you are...

[markferon]

Fusion_power I have read the site you mentioned.
It was very interesting.