Looking for Best Flavored Hybrids - Page 3

AKmark · February 3, 2017

Read the claim at the bottom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Girl

Black Krim · February 4, 2017

Are u referring to the improved flavor in dry growing methods?

Noted it is now owned by Monsanto and someone is working on dehybridizing it.

Gerardo · February 4, 2017

One of the best hybrid tomatoes I've ever tried was a "dry farmed" Odoriko. It concentrates flavor like you wouldn't believe.

Black Krim · February 4, 2017

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Originally Posted by Gerardo

One of the best hybrids tomatoes I've ever tried was a "dry farmed" Odoriko. It concentrates flavor like you wouldn't believe.

is this also called kumato?

I have one plot of land with little water, did I say littlle, the red currants did ok. I need to better understand dry farming method.

Gerardo · February 4, 2017

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Originally Posted by Black Krim

is this also called kumato?

I have one plot of land with little water, did I say littlle, the red currants did ok. I need to better understand dry farming method.

kumato is a different tomato. Odoriko is from kitazawa seed company.

AKmark · February 4, 2017

Black Krim, I crossed a PL Black Krim with a PL Early Girl, and they are awesome, I will send out some this fall.
I have been wanting to try Odoriko, I hear they are good.

Black Krim · February 5, 2017

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Originally Posted by AKmark

Black Krim, I crossed a PL Black Krim with a PL Early Girl, and they are awesome, I will send out some this fall.
I have been wanting to try Odoriko, I hear they are good.

Mark, I bought Kumato at the grocery store as I was intrigued by the brown color. I'm an adventurous eater, so the color did nt put me off. They ripened over a period of time and the flavor did alter over that time. A different eating experience for each tomato (pkg of 4). Im still too inexperienced to put labels on the flavor experience.

The BK x EG should be a nice improvement over the BK.

BigVanVader · February 4, 2017

I toyed with dry farming last year and made some interesting observations. I did a few (Taxi & Siccagno di Valledolmo) and there were very noticeable differences in the DF vs Reg watering.

DF Taxi struggled after it got hot and started aborting flowers, smaller fruits but a decent improvement in flavor with some being incredible. The other Taxis produced about 2x the tomatoes but the flavor was much more bland.

The reg and dry farmed SDV continued to set and there was no significant decrease in production. Neither had BER, and the fruits were so dry they felt like marshmallows in hand. Shelf life was extreme but for me the taste was to strong for fresh eating, skins were very thick as well.

When I finally pulled them up the roots were huge and more developed that typical. It was actually tough to pull them out. The reg ones were really similar to the DF other than the root systems and ofc the tast. It seems the history behind SDV is legit.

I feel like this is something you could select for to improve on over time and I plan to dry farm some more this season (my favs) to compare taste/production.

Black Krim · February 5, 2017

BVV, Wow, interesting observations. Not always a better flavor results with the dry method.

I have a greater appreciation for the controlled climate growing conditions that provide a marketable fruit producers can count on.

BigVanVader · February 24, 2017

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Originally Posted by Black Krim

BVV, Wow, interesting observations. Not always a better flavor results with the dry method.

I have a greater appreciation for the controlled climate growing conditions that provide a marketable fruit producers can count on.

Well it certainly intensifies flavor, so I guess if the flavor is good to begin with it would usually be "better" but for SDV it was so intense it was almost bitter. I don't like red tomatoes though so there is that.

I want to try dry farming a few grafted Sweet Ozark Orange this year. They have a very good flavor that I feel could possibly be on the "best tomato ever!" level if I can succeed in intensifying them.

Black Krim · March 2, 2017

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Originally Posted by BigVanVader

Well it certainly intensifies flavor, so I guess if the flavor is good to begin with it would usually be "better" but for SDV it was so intense it was almost bitter. I don't like red tomatoes though so there is that.

I want to try dry farming a few grafted Sweet Ozark Orange this year. They have a very good flavor that I feel could possibly be on the "best tomato ever!" level if I can succeed in intensifying them.

I have little, as in no experience with orange tomatos. BUt when ready all the descriptions on the Tomato Growers web site, I did realize most orange fleshed tomatos have a sweeter flesh. And then there are those that have a zippier impact on the taste buds.

I tend to be eco minded and view watering as a waste of my time....looking for a happy medium where tomatos have adequate water and good production using a watering system where I don't have to stand holding the hose. lol

When reading out on the WWW, a few numbers popped up regarding production weight using drying growing methods. In general both apples and tomatos have about 30% the production by weight compared to those on watering systems. No mention about flavor, keeping qualities, etc.

I can see the value of reducing the cost of water that is paid for certainly but also realize that when production is weight based, the cost of water is well covered by the huge increase in production, by pound.

For me, watering will not be an investment for the apple trees; they will need to be tough and adaptable. The tomatos though leave me wondering about the enhanced flavor...... or not. Seems side by side variety tests will require several seasons to find what I like.

AlittleSalt · February 22, 2017

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I haven't tried a lot of hybrids, but these taste good to us:

Early Girl
Sungold
Big Beef
Sweet 100
Supersweet Cherry 100
Momotaro
Celebrity

Have you tried the other gold / yellow cherry tomato that Tomato Growers sells??? Im asking because it is supposed to be crack resistant.

I missed seeing this one. Which other gold / yellow cherry tomato that Tomato Growers sells are you talking about? But probably not.

creeker · February 23, 2017

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Originally Posted by AlittleSalt

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Originally Posted by AlittleSalt

I haven't tried a lot of hybrids, but these taste good to us:

Early Girl
Sungold
Big Beef
Sweet 100
Supersweet Cherry 100
Momotaro
Celebrity

Have you tried the other gold / yellow cherry tomato that Tomato Growers sells??? Im asking because it is supposed to be crack resistant.

I missed seeing this one. Which other gold / yellow cherry tomato that Tomato Growers sells are you talking about? But probably not.

I grew Sunsugar last year and will again

this year. Great production and flavor and cracking was not a problem. Pretty big plants.

AlittleSalt · February 24, 2017

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Originally Posted by creeker

I grew Sunsugar last year and will again

this year. Great production and flavor and cracking was not a problem. Pretty big plants.

I'm growing Sunsugar and Suncherry Extra Sweet for the first time this year .

February 22, 2017

Early Girl F1 tastes pretty different in different soils (not just with more or less water). It also tastes a lot different depending on how ripe you let it get. People tend to be on both ends of the spectrum for how much they like the taste.

I think it tastes better in clay-type soils, harvested when still kind of orange.

February 4, 2017	#3
Gerardo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Diego-Tijuana Posts: 2,594	One of the best hybrid tomatoes I've ever tried was a "dry farmed" Odoriko. It concentrates flavor like you wouldn't believe. Last edited by Gerardo; February 4, 2017 at 11:12 PM.

February 3, 2017	#1
AKmark Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Wasilla Alaska Posts: 2,010	Read the claim at the bottom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Girl

February 4, 2017	#2
Black Krim Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: New England Posts: 661	Are u referring to the improved flavor in dry growing methods? Noted it is now owned by Monsanto and someone is working on dehybridizing it.

February 4, 2017	#8
BigVanVader Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Greenville, South Carolina Posts: 3,099	I toyed with dry farming last year and made some interesting observations. I did a few (Taxi & Siccagno di Valledolmo) and there were very noticeable differences in the DF vs Reg watering. DF Taxi struggled after it got hot and started aborting flowers, smaller fruits but a decent improvement in flavor with some being incredible. The other Taxis produced about 2x the tomatoes but the flavor was much more bland. The reg and dry farmed SDV continued to set and there was no significant decrease in production. Neither had BER, and the fruits were so dry they felt like marshmallows in hand. Shelf life was extreme but for me the taste was to strong for fresh eating, skins were very thick as well. When I finally pulled them up the roots were huge and more developed that typical. It was actually tough to pull them out. The reg ones were really similar to the DF other than the root systems and ofc the tast. It seems the history behind SDV is legit. I feel like this is something you could select for to improve on over time and I plan to dry farm some more this season (my favs) to compare taste/production.

February 5, 2017	#9
Black Krim Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: New England Posts: 661	BVV, Wow, interesting observations. Not always a better flavor results with the dry method. I have a greater appreciation for the controlled climate growing conditions that provide a marketable fruit producers can count on.

February 22, 2017	#12
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	Quote: Originally Posted by AlittleSalt I haven't tried a lot of hybrids, but these taste good to us: Early Girl Sungold Big Beef Sweet 100 Supersweet Cherry 100 Momotaro Celebrity Have you tried the other gold / yellow cherry tomato that Tomato Growers sells??? Im asking because it is supposed to be crack resistant. I missed seeing this one. Which other gold / yellow cherry tomato that Tomato Growers sells are you talking about? But probably not.

February 22, 2017	#15
shule1 Guest Posts: n/a	Early Girl F1 tastes pretty different in different soils (not just with more or less water). It also tastes a lot different depending on how ripe you let it get. People tend to be on both ends of the spectrum for how much they like the taste. I think it tastes better in clay-type soils, harvested when still kind of orange.