Interested in Growing a Multiflora Dwarf?

[oakley]

Tryno, it will probably be another couple weeks before you will want to start
snipping/culling the F2's. You will know as some will shoot up taller than others.
I ended up with 2 in each cell and kept culling, then potted up the most
promising.
With the F2's, pot up as many as you have room for as another cull will most
likely happen. Some take off much later. Half or less will stay compact.

As you move along, and they do grow slowly, zip back through the other posts
here. Lots of pics and info.

It is good to start early. I had lots of early harvest once they went out in warm
weather. I'll start another couple trays mid Feb.

This pic is after lots of culling and starting to pot up into 4". Most pot up earlier
but work got in the way and they still did fine.

[tryno12]

Thanks Susan, in a post Dan did state that instead of writing out all the plant names. He used #'s and listed the names that corresponded to the #'s in that post. How do most of them taste? I see there is a lot of info earlier in the thread I did not see

Pete

[tryno12]

Thanks Oakley, i will read and study......
Pete

[jmsieglaff]

Some of my 19xF2 dwarfs and micros. Around the red box are 1 week older expect the biggest is 2 weeks older. I’m hoping to get 9 micros after selecting these smallest seedlings from many started. One interesting thing I’ve noticed is the leaf type in the one circled in blue. Looks subtly different than the rest—shape and number leaflets. Think I will grow this out no matter what just because it looks a bit different. Thoughts?

[dfollett]

Originally Posted by jmsieglaff

Some of my 19xF2 dwarfs and micros. Around the red box are 1 week older expect the biggest is 2 weeks older. I’m hoping to get 9 micros after selecting these smallest seedlings from many started. One interesting thing I’ve noticed is the leaf type in the one circled in blue. Looks subtly different than the rest—shape and number leaflets. Think I will grow this out no matter what just because it looks a bit different. Thoughts?

Your approach sounds great. I am always amazed at the variety in the first couple of generations after F1 - But I don't think I have seen that particular leaf structure... I hope it keeps that shape - and passes it along (New variety there?)

[jmsieglaff]

Found this about Ambrosia Orange UBX (the indeterminate parent of 19x):

The Ambrosia Orange UBX is the result of crossing the Gold back to a green currant tomato with wild lineage (hirsutum).

Googling L. hirsutum, I wonder if that leaf shape might be some of those genetics showing?

[dfollett]

It will be interesting to watch. Keep us posted. The interesting variety and differentiation I referred to only really shows up when you start lots of seed and see the one-offs that appear 1 of 64 or more. There are more of those hiding in the genes than you'd think.

[jmsieglaff]

Originally Posted by dfollett

It will be interesting to watch. Keep us posted. The interesting variety and differentiation I referred to only really shows up when you start lots of seed and see the one-offs that appear 1 of 64 or more. There are more of those hiding in the genes than you'd think.

You’re very right about that. I probably started 400 seeds this go around and transplanted these 24–more than I have room for but knowing some will only be dwarf, not micro dwarf. Something a little different is icing on the cake!

[tryno12]

Hi Dan, in your 33X plant that I got from you as seed, what is the "Tidy" plant?
Thank You
Pete

[dfollett]

Originally Posted by tryno12

Hi Dan, in your 33X plant that I got from you as seed, what is the "Tidy" plant?
Thank You
Pete

Tidy was the name of one of the Dwarf Project "families" I worked with - (Rosella Purple F4 X Pink Berkeley Tie Dye) X Pork Chop F2. I made a cross of the micro multiflora with an F2 of that family. The full pedigree of 33X is: (Red Robin X Rose Quartz Multiflora F4) X ((Rosella Purple F4 X Pink Berkeley Tie Dye) X Pork Chop F2). There is certainly no lack of gene diversity in that cross..... In one family of F3s from that cross, 30% or so were carrot-leaf (like Silvery Fir Tree). That's where those I sent you came from.

Feel free to PM me if you want more detail for any of the others I sent.

[Greatgardens]

Are these the same 19X from Dan's crosses a few years back? I'll be growing F5's this season from that line and KarenO's original selections.

BTW, what was the original parentage of that 19X line?

-GG

[jmsieglaff]

Originally Posted by Greatgardens

Are these the same 19X from Dan's crosses a few years back? I'll be growing F5's this season from that line and KarenO's original selections.

BTW, what was the original parentage of that 19X line?

-GG

Yes this is Dans 19x cross. I saved seed from some tasty red cherries from it (those would be F3 seed), but I’m still searching more F2 plants looking for something extra interesting. What colors did you find?

The indeterminate was Ambrosia Orange UBX. I dont recall the micro parent—maybe Rose Quartz Micro?

[dfollett]

Originally Posted by jmsieglaff

Yes this is Dans 19x cross. I saved seed from some tasty red cherries from it (those would be F3 seed), but I’m still searching more F2 plants looking for something extra interesting. What colors did you find?

The indeterminate was Ambrosia Orange UBX. I dont recall the micro parent—maybe Rose Quartz Micro?

The micro parent was an F4 of a cross made by Chris Kafer (ChrisK). Full pedigree of 19X was: (Red Robin X Rose Quartz multiflora) X Ambrosia Orange.

[Greatgardens]

Originally Posted by jmsieglaff

Yes this is Dans 19x cross. I saved seed from some tasty red cherries from it (those would be F3 seed), but I’m still searching more F2 plants looking for something extra interesting. What colors did you find?

The indeterminate was Ambrosia Orange UBX. I dont recall the micro parent—maybe Rose Quartz Micro?

Thanks. Mine are "black" or more accurately dark purple-brown with the customary green shoulders until fully ripe. 15" - 20" tall, PL. KarenO did a great job selecting and sent me the F4 seeds. Most of mine were splitters. The F5 seeds were from one that didn't .
GG

[jmsieglaff]

Originally Posted by Greatgardens

Thanks. Mine are "black" or more accurately dark purple-brown with the customary green shoulders until fully ripe. 15" - 20" tall, PL. KarenO did a great job selecting and sent me the F4 seeds. Most of mine were splitters. The F5 seeds were from one that didn't .
GG

Black with that parentage! I bet those are great. Out of 9 plants I’m hoping to get a couple interesting colors. Curious was the black found in the F2?