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Old August 14, 2016   #151
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That Hands on Tomato Growing and Breeding Workshop surely sounds interesting. I would definitely be in the beginners section.
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Ditto. Pretty cool Doc Hempel Hope you have a good turnout. Sounds interesting.
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Old August 14, 2016   #152
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It will be fun, and sometimes it is more fun with fewer people. I have a couple people to train too. So it is a good opportunity for that.
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Old August 15, 2016   #153
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Sometimes, it would seem some companies label varieties "hybrids" when they are nothing more than open pollinated lines. Sure cuts the cost of production and may dissuade the competition.
Is it legal to do that?
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Old August 15, 2016   #154
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Sometimes, it would seem some companies label varieties "hybrids" when they are nothing more than open pollinated lines. Sure cuts the cost of production and may dissuade the competition.
That used to be the case for some seedv endors/companies,but if you've ever read versions one and two of Caraol Deppe's excellent books she speaks to this directly,and yes,it was done years ago,but i haven't heard of anything like that these days.

More likely is that someone will take an F1 hybrid and by selection try to create an OP from it,and that has been successful in some cases depending on the original parentage of the F1.

What you want to look for are her two How to breed vegetable books,the original and then the update one.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...k1.mZySN4W_iN4

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https://www.google.com/#q=Carol+Deppe+books&hl=en

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Is it legal to do that?
It's not that it is exactly legal, but no attorney for the government is going to pursue fraud charges over something like that. A consumer would have the right to sue civilly, but the best that would happen is that you would win your $3 back that you spent on the seeds. Damages must be foreseeable is the rule. So if you spend $3,000 on a garden to grow that $3 pack of seed, you may still only sue for the $3.
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I'm not familiar with the exact EU ruling, but I know the legislation regarding labeling is quite strict... Consumers might not care to sue for a stray seed (happens a lot with any company), but fraudulent labeling and advertizing can mean sanctions to the company - they may have to pay fines if it can be proven they have willingly misled the consumer.
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Threat of suit, though, is not the only reason that a seed company would avoid lying and saying that an OP is a hybrid.

The damage to the brand, for this type of lie, only increases with the success of a variety. And the likely hood that a "hybrid" would be outed as an OP only increases with success.

So, there are very strong reasons to not lie. The lie would be too easily proved, even if not in a court of law. Every gardener in the country could confirm a "fake" hybrid.

This is why I do not believe the practice of calling OPs hybrids is common, and why I do not believe that any large company, in particular, would be so stupid as to lie.

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It's not that it is exactly legal, but no attorney for the government is going to pursue fraud charges over something like that. A consumer would have the right to sue civilly, but the best that would happen is that you would win your $3 back that you spent on the seeds. Damages must be foreseeable is the rule. So if you spend $3,000 on a garden to grow that $3 pack of seed, you may still only sue for the $3.
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Sometimes you have no choice in the matter.Crosman doesn't offer Crosman Early giant tomato anymore,so I have to grow it from saved seed.
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Before I buy seeds (I am a hobbyist, not a seller of seeds) I always do a thorough Google on the tomato type (for hardiness and taste) and the seller's reputation (no time for junk seeds). I feel that if somebody wants to create a hybrid tomato to sell or share they should sets some realistic goals first. Is the tomato unique enough to be given a name.....Is it a good contribution to the tomato world....etc. Don't just create a hybrid tomato for your own self-affirmation and the world to just show that you know how create a hybrid tomato.
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Before I buy seeds (I am a hobbyist, not a seller of seeds) I always do a thorough Google on the tomato type (for hardiness and taste) and the seller's reputation (no time for junk seeds). I feel that if somebody wants to create a hybrid tomato to sell or share they should sets some realistic goals first. Is the tomato unique enough to be given a name.....Is it a good contribution to the tomato world....etc. Don't just create a hybrid tomato for your own self-affirmation and the world to just show that you know how create a hybrid tomato.
I agree. I'm hoping to find a tomato variety that works very well in the fall season here in central florida. All I'm looking for is excellent productivity and good taste. I'd be happy.
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