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Old November 30, 2015   #46
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5) Woolly with anthocyanins

224 Yamali Blue Yellow.jpg

225 Yamali Blue Green cotyl.jpg

226 Yamali Blue Green with blue.jpg

227 Yamali Blue Green mur.jpg

228 Yamali Blue Green dec.jpg

229 Yamali Blue.jpg

This variety ( Yamali Blue) is not a stable variety. Various plants do not still give the same type of tomatoes: the skin color is very variable as the color of the flesh.
If flowers are not protected, they are very often fertilized by other pollens and the obtained tomatoes are not in accordance with a given standard.

It is thus necessary given by the different names to every type of obtained tomatoes.
The most known are "Yamali Blue Yellow" because the flesh is yellow.
But I also obtained "Yamali blue green" with green flesh.
Thus "yamali blue" have many type: thus add a qualifier to characterize the yamali blue which you obtain.

It is unpleasant to see in the fairs of tomatoes to see the same name of tomato for tomatoes of different aspect.
Every owner of a type of tomato grows to possess the real type of tomato.
The owners of tomatoes of the same name have to have the possibility of confronting their tomato to others to try to define the conformity of every tomato.
There is until now only a single person who studied the conformity of " Yamali blue ". To see on Facebook the photos of " Yamali Blue ".He is moreover one of my testers.
The only way to differentiate this type of tomatoes, it is to follow the growth of these in photos since the photos of cotyledons until the cut of tomatoes.
Each will have in the future to resolve in it if we want to fight the blue danger

6) Woolly with anthocyanins and variegates

Let us study a little the growth of the variety, a variety in woolly and variegated foliage.

230 Allure cotyl.jpg

231 Allure jeun pl.jpg

232 Allure fleurs.jpg

233 Allure fleur.jpg

234 Allure fleur etamines.jpg

235 Allure feuilles panach.jpg

236 Allure sépales bleus.jpg

237 Allure jaune.jpg

238 Allure orange.jpg

238 Allure tom.jpg

Here are all the characteristics to hold :
1) Sowing number 44 .
2) Visible Nervures of cotyledons and darkened enough bottoms.
3) Already hairs on the first leaves.
4) Stalk with anthocyanins.
5) The plant is very hairy.
6) The bottom of leaves show anthocyanins.
7) Six rather yellow petals.
8) The bottom of petals is light yellow.
9) There is a more yellow median in the middle of every petal.
10) Stamens become yellow dark.
11) Some leaves are mixed with anthocyanins.
12) Five sepals with anthocyanins.
13) The green tomato goes yellow then in maturity becomes orange.
14) Every small tomato has a small nipple.

15) The flesh is uniformly orange.
16) Seeds carry the reference number 5614AB.
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Old November 30, 2015   #47
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7) A few variegated

239 lange Aemer jeun pl.jpg

240 lange Aemer feuille.jpg

241 lange Aemer tom.jpg

8) The variations of the colorful leaves of "Variegatum"

242 Variegatum tableau.jpg

a) on 2014 I sowed some seeds of the "variety" Variegatum " which has the peculiarity to have a variegated foliage.
Seeds resulted from Michel Loute (2005ML.
I sowed 4 seeds and I obtained 3 colorful plants and 1 not colorful plant.
I had planted only a plant in the colorful foliage and an other one in the not mixed foliage on which I collected some completely common red tomatoes.
The colorful plant just gave me two small tomatoes very late in the season.
I got back seeds: 4531AB and 4532AB.

b) On 2015 I sowed around thirty seeds coming from my three bags which I possessed.
I planted 18 plants distributed almost everywhere in all my other varieties.
This is the list of the sowing with their reference number and the place of the sowing.
Twice and ter when there are 2 or 3 seeds in the sowing.

There are 4 places:
· G: the big greenhouse
· S: the sub-roof
· X: outdoor
· DM: a knockdown shelter in good weather.
Every place is divided into plots of land: in A, B, C, … etc.

243 Variegatum peu panach.jpg

I noticed at first that
A) I had a little mixed plant

244 Variegatum ombre.jpg

B) That every plant is sensitive to the quantity of received light. Here always in the shade.

245 Variegatum soleil.jpg

C) Mixed leaves variations of yellow and of green in the light of the sun.

246 Variegatum cotyl 51.jpg

That the stalk and the certain cotyledons looked like the stalk and the cotyledons of blue tomatoes.
It would seem to have here some blue genes.
To control in 2016.

247 Variegatum panacg tige.jpg

The variegated stalk

248 Variegatum rg et bleu.jpg

It would seem to have here some blue genes.
To control in 2016.

249 Variegatum non mur.jpg

That the mixing can see itself also on sepals and tomatoes before the maturity.


250 Variegatum sep panach.jpg

I kept seeds of all the placed plants not far from plants of blue tomatoes (which I also have seeds).
I hope that the blue danger here was beneficial me to obtain crossings between the colorful varieties and my other blue varieties.
The reactivity of the mixing towards the light and the formation) of anthocyanins could give me then magnificent plants next years
It least here the blue danger would have a positive influence on certain obtained crossings.

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Old November 30, 2015   #48
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Every owner of a type of tomato grows to possess the real type of tomato.
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Each will have in the future to resolve in it if we want to fight the blue danger
I am a farmer that doesn't care if a plant grows true to type. I don't care about conformity. I go out of my way to encourage promiscuous pollination in everything I grow. I am especially welcoming of promiscuity in tomatoes, which I think have been damaged as a species by too much inbreeding. I welcome any unseen wild genetics that might accompany the blue gene.

As an example: To me, these are all the same variety of tomato:

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Old November 30, 2015   #49
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Personally. Not a fan of blue Tomatoes. I avoid them.

Nightshade no thanks! What's next pretty blue flowers to go along with tiny blue "Tomatoes"..

I will pass.. Lol

Not liking this cross pollinating dominance of the blue trait one bit.
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Old December 8, 2015   #50
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F) The resistant varieties to the late blight.

1) Introduction

I am interested for a long time in the varieties of resistant potatoes to the late blight (Phytophthora infestans).
In 2014, I sowed two tomatoes resistant varieties to the late blight:
A) Defiant F1 and F2
B) Plum Regal F1.

As I had already noticed the power of blue danger, I had crashed outside both resistant varieties in the presence of plants of blue tomatoes.

I hoped that bumblebees were going to realize hybridizations:
a) By transporting some pollen with the genes of resistances towards the flowers of varieties of blue tomatoes.
b) By transporting the blue genes towards the flowers of resistant varieties.

It is the genes ph2 and ph3 that give the resistant to the varieties.
Ph3 must be present and Ph2 strengthens Ph3 if he is present.
Ph2 only give a lesser resistance.
Defiant F1 and Plum regal F1 have both genes.

I got back all the seeds of the tomatoes of the resistant varieties.
I calculate every time the number of days when the tomato remained in the plant by making the subtraction of:
( In the daytime of harvest - day of plantation)
And I indicate it in the following way:

300DZ ( Defiant F1)--> 4604AB (AB Defiant F2 R103) 3003NT ( Defiant F2)-->4785AB (AB Defiant F3 R76)

DZ and NT is a member both of Tomatoville.

2) 2014 Tomatoes Defiant F3

Here are examples of obtained tomatoes:

251 defiant.jpg

AB is both initials indicating me:AmBiorix
I place these two initials behind the number of the year for the reference of seeds.
And I place AB in front of the variety and the generation of the variety follow-up of the number of days since the plantation until the harvest. (AB to show that the crossing was can - be made by bumblebees at AB)

XT284a indicates that the plant is outside (XT), that the plant has the number 284 and a if it is the first harvested tomato.

3) 2015 Tomatoes Defiant F4


3003NT (Defiant F2)-->4785AB (AB Defiant F3 R76)--> 5830AB (AB Defiant F4 R89)

5830AB was harvested in big greenhouse because this plant had been let there to study well its evolution.
Sowing 102 location GD72 (Place which receives the sun since the sunrise till 6:00 pm).

252 defiant F4.jpg

253 defiant F4 non mur.jpg

254 defiant F4 presq mur.jpg

255 defiant F4 mur.jpg

256 defiant F4 dec.jpg
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4) 2015 The sowing of “defiant”.

As I notice that on the plant in GD72 there are leaves very blue and that it would be maybe a visual indication of presence of blue gene, I am going to observe cotyledons during the sowing of several seeds of the family of the "Defiant".

We notice that there is of the blue on all the cotyledons, on the stalks of the young plants and under the leaves of every young plant.
What it means that the harvested tomatoes contain blue genes?
Tomatoes have no track of blue at the moment. It is thus necessary to continue to make tests in 2016.
The blue leaves of the plant in GD72 show again an assumption of presence of blue genes(?).

257bis semis.jpg

257 semis 102.jpg

258 semis 163.jpg

259 semis 164.jpg

260 semis 167.jpg

261 semis 167bis.jpg

262 semis 169.jpg

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Here is the picture of the tests in 2015 of the family of the "Defiant"

264 tableau 2015 defiant.jpg

In red, we have what represents the series of photos with the name of the sowed variety.
On the following lines we have the references of the seeds of tomatoes harvested (Only the reference number not the name of the exact variety).
412 has no photos.
In the same part of the picture, the sowing 426 and 478 was not crashed.
Down we have the reserves for tests in 2016.

5) 2015 The plants of my "defiant".

265 plant 162.jpg

266 plant 164.jpg

267 plant 167.jpg

268 plant 167bis.jpg

6) 2015 The plants of the "defiant" of my testers.

269 sépales bleues HI.jpg

It would seem that there is of the blue on sepals.
Possibility of blue genes in this tomato.

270 5004HI.jpg

271 dessous bleux LN.jpg

That is it necessary to think of all these plants of the series "Defiant" which have of the blue on cotyledons, bottoms of young leaves and once on sepals?
I think that it is necessary to test the most possible seeds harvested in 2015. For it I need many testers.
You make known if it interests you.
You can also join for other specific tests.

272 Plum regal F2.jpg

7) 2015 Plum regal F3--> In GE85 3002NT ( Plum Regal F1)-->4533AB (AB Plum Regal F2 R132)?

273 Plum regal F2 semis 108.jpg

274 Plum regal F2 semis 108 b.jpg

275 Plum regal F2 feuilles bleus.jpg

276 Plum regal F2 boutons floraux.jpg

This plant made blue but has never given tomatoes.

8) 2015 Plum regal F3 in sub-roof.


277 Plum regal F2 semis 150.jpg

278 Plum regal F2 XB280.jpg

279 Plum regal F3 5548AB.jpg

9) 2015 Plum regal F4 to a tester.

280 Plum regal semis 23 LN.jpg

281 Plum regal semis 6 LN.jpg

282 Plum regal compa defiant LN.jpg

Plum regal are darker with their bluish greens compared with the clear clearly more green of the defiant.

283 Plum regal plantt LN.jpg

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10) 2015 other resistant varieties to the late blight.

I sowed and crashed the other resistant varieties to the late blight this year to have more points of comparison.

284 semis 344 Iron Lady F1.jpg

285 Iron Lady F1.jpg

286 Mountain Magic F1.jpg

287 Mountain Magic F1 tom.jpg

288 Mountain Merit semis 160.jpg

289 Mountain Merit tom.jpg

290 Jasper F1.jpg

291 Skykomish.jpg

292 Skykomish non mur.jpg

293 legend.jpg


It would seem that the young plants of resistant varieties in the late blight are often enough darkened near the solar not exposed to the light sheet.
It does not maybe mean that they have a blue gene but that there is a reaction towards the light.

In 2016, it will be necessary to photograph all the young plants and the cotyledons of all the sowing and to compare their colors to know if it is an indication of presence of blue gene or reactivity towards the sunlight.

All the varieties tested in 2015 very well resisted to the late blight but Skykomish is very very late.
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About the variety Variegata/Variegated which I was one of the first to grow and to offer seeds for it.


http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Variegated

Everything you showed in your pictures is normal for this variety and yes, the varigation can be seen on the stems and yes, also at the stem end of fruits as well. And yes, doesmuch better withshade since when it gets hot out the variegation just disappears and comes back in the Fall when the temps are cooler,

I grew it many times for seed production for my SSE listings and also offered it in some seed offers in the past.

So I know it very well and IMO it has nothing to do with the blue effect. To be honest when I was growing it starting back in 2004 there weren't all the blue varieties we have today.

And all the years I was growing it I never grew anything that had the blue antho effect.

Interesting variety, yes, but as for the red fruits it produced, not one I suggest for the taste of those fruits and quite a few grow it just as an ornamental.

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G) The varieties together with the resistant to the late blight.outside.

Here is at first highlighted in blue the resistant varieties to the LB cultivated has the shelter of the bad weather thus in greenhouse and sub-roof. (10 varieties).
Then there are 7*10 varieties crashed in mixture with the resistant varieties . There is little all the types of tomatoes: blue and not blue, resistant, not resistant.

N is the number of the sowing.
Ref is the reference number of seeds.
Pl is the number of the location in the plot of land.
V is the name of the variety corresponding to the number of the reference.
The numbers of the harvested tomatoes and the sometimes different name of the varieties will be later given in the list of the proposed tests.

I hope that the wind and the bumblebees worked well in 2015

There are thus many tests to be realized in 2016.
Each can ask to participate in these tests and choose the kind of tomatoes which interests him. There will be surprises in 2016: it will thus be necessary to follow with big attention every plant since the sowing until the harvest.
The following photo shows you the position of plants the one with regard to compared with the others.
Then there are characteristic photos of year 2015.

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294bis Emplacements.jpg

295 XA271 purple Belzeb SUN.JPG

296 XA273 German extrême dwarf bush.jpg

297 XA274 Elberta leeway.jpg

298 XA274 Elberta leeway.jpg

299 XA275 ananas bleue.jpg

300 XA277 My Pride of Flanders.JPG

301 XA278 Ananas Bleue Fanny.jpg

302 XA279 Lizzano F1.JPG
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I guess I do not see any anthocyanin staining in your Mountain Series tomatoes, nor have I seen any anthocyanin staining in any of the Mountain Series tomatoes that I have grown, including Mt. Magic, Mt. Merit, Mt. Honey, and Mt. Glory (the two best flavored ones being Mt. Glory and Mt. Magic). I do occasionally see gold fleck disorder in some of the Mt. Series lines, but that's another story, and really does not adversely affect the market appearance, in my opinion.
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