Micro-tomato crosses - Page 13

ChrisK · December 12, 2014

Couldn't help myself. Sowed a flat of F3 Yellow Dwf x Sungold F1 today.

ChrisK · December 13, 2014

Update.

KarenO · December 13, 2014

Ok that settles it. I am jealous of these plants and I'm not waiting until after Christmas!! I will sow them today get them started just under a small light and get the big lights out once they are potted up individually.
I want to see some seedlings growing.
You sent me seed labelled F4 HMCC F3-14. I presume it to be F3 seed. Do you expect a lot of difference in the plants and I am curious what traits to expect. Looking forward to the scent of tomato foliage and seeing what they do indoors in winter. Thank you for the seed!
KarenO

ChrisK · December 13, 2014

haha! Do it!

Those are F4 seeds from F3 plant #14. Same cross as the pic above so they should be very compact plants. You'll get grape/cherries likely with a nipple. F3-14 is the plant in the striped pot posted last year.

The biggest question on these is flavor. We don't need any more micro-tom quality micros!

The more sun/strong light the better!

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Originally Posted by KarenO

Ok that settles it. I am jealous of these plants and I'm not waiting until after Christmas!! I will sow them today get them started just under a small light and get the big lights out once they are potted up individually.
I want to see some seedlings growing.
You sent me seed labelled F4 HMCC F3-14. I presume it to be F3 seed. Do you expect a lot of difference in the plants and I am curious what traits to expect. Looking forward to the scent of tomato foliage and seeing what they do indoors in winter. Thank you for the seed!
KarenO

Fusion_power · December 13, 2014

Chris, Sungold smells just like S. Habrochaites. The smell segregates from the high brix trait at a ratio of 32:1 meaning if you grow 32 plants 1 of them will be very sweet without the typical sungold smell.

Combining high brix with excellent tomato flavor has been a bit difficult. So far, I've seen very sweet fruit in the F2 or F3, but it segregates the next generation indicating some of the genes for high brix are dominant and others are recessive. I got 1 F5 plant out of about 300 grown that exhibits high brix and outstanding tomato flavor.

ChrisK · December 13, 2014

Oh boy. Guess I better plant a few more flats.

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Originally Posted by Fusion_power

Chris, Sungold smells just like S. Habrochaites. The smell segregates from the high brix trait at a ratio of 32:1 meaning if you grow 32 plants 1 of them will be very sweet without the typical sungold smell.

Combining high brix with excellent tomato flavor has been a bit difficult. So far, I've seen very sweet fruit in the F2 or F3, but it segregates the next generation indicating some of the genes for high brix are dominant and others are recessive. I got 1 F5 plant out of about 300 grown that exhibits high brix and outstanding tomato flavor.

Hatgirl · December 14, 2014

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Originally Posted by ChrisK

Oh boy. Guess I better plant a few more flats.

Of course, the solution to every tomato problem is "better plant a few more flats"

heirloomtomaguy · December 15, 2014

So far i have 9 of 12 seeds a sproutin' in the flat and 7 for 7 seeds a sproutin' in the cup. The rest in the flat are other dwarfs im workin on and test growing. Sorry the poor pic im on vacation. Yes i did bring my babies and the heat mat/controller on vacation. I know i know i have a problem

kayrobbins · December 17, 2014

These are the HMCC seedlings I planted on 11/24. It looks like are of the plants are going to have the rolled leaf. You can't really tell that from the picture but I can see it in the new leaf growth.

ChrisK · December 17, 2014

Yep. they roll even more at night it seems.

KarenO · December 17, 2014

Hi Chris,
Started mine 4 days and and 7/13 are already up with no bottom heat. I expect the rest will come up before long too. fast little guys.
And Kay, your seedlings look really great!
Chris, does the rolled leaf trait mean any relative advantage or disadvantage or mainly just a different "look" to the plant
KO

ChrisK · December 18, 2014

I have no empirical data to support this, but, I would suspect that the rolled leaf would not be good from a disease/pest standpoint. I could imagine that leaves would not dry as well from restricted airflow and control with fungicides or other -cides might be more problematic simply from a mechanical standpoint. But, may not be an issue during the winter on a windowsill in dry indoor conditions and with pathogen inoculum relatively low.

I sure wish I knew what genes are involved in the phenotypes of this one. I thought maybe declinata but the leaves roll the opposite way from the TGRC description. Wilty-2?

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Originally Posted by KarenO

Hi Chris,
Started mine 4 days and and 7/13 are already up with no bottom heat. I expect the rest will come up before long too. fast little guys.
And Kay, your seedlings look really great!
Chris, does the rolled leaf trait mean any relative advantage or disadvantage or mainly just a different "look" to the plant
KO

ChrisK · December 26, 2014

An F3 micro-multiflora. Has spent its life confined under lights in the garage.

kayrobbins · December 26, 2014

Your plant sure does have dark green leafs. What are the tomatoes like? I can't wait to see my micros flower.

I am growing mine in the garage under lights too since I don't have windows in the right location. They are growing well and several have flower buds. I first noticed that Christmas morning. When the new leafs form they are curled but they seem to me as if they are changing as the grow.

Chris do you do any pruning at all? They sure are putting on a lot of suckers.

ChrisK · December 26, 2014

They look great! You should not need to prune those unless they get out of control (which I doubt they will do, and maybe discard those). The Hardin's miniature phenotype is exactly as you describe, lots of suckers on a bushy plant.

No tomatoes yet!

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Originally Posted by kayrobbins

Your plant sure does have dark green leafs. What are the tomatoes like? I can't wait to see my micros flower.

I am growing mine in the garage under lights too since I don't have windows in the right location. They are growing well and several have flower buds. I first noticed that Christmas morning. When the new leafs form they are curled but they seem to me as if they are changing as the grow.

Chris do you do any pruning at all? They sure are putting on a lot of suckers.

December 12, 2014	#181
ChrisK Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,448	Couldn't help myself. Sowed a flat of F3 Yellow Dwf x Sungold F1 today. __________________ Blog: chriskafer.wordpress.com Ignorance more frequently begets knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science. --Charles Darwin

December 17, 2014	#191
KarenO Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 5,922	Hi Chris, Started mine 4 days and and 7/13 are already up with no bottom heat. I expect the rest will come up before long too. fast little guys. And Kay, your seedlings look really great! Chris, does the rolled leaf trait mean any relative advantage or disadvantage or mainly just a different "look" to the plant KO Last edited by KarenO; December 17, 2014 at 09:34 PM.

December 13, 2014	#183
KarenO Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 5,922	Ok that settles it. I am jealous of these plants and I'm not waiting until after Christmas!! I will sow them today get them started just under a small light and get the big lights out once they are potted up individually. I want to see some seedlings growing. You sent me seed labelled F4 HMCC F3-14. I presume it to be F3 seed. Do you expect a lot of difference in the plants and I am curious what traits to expect. Looking forward to the scent of tomato foliage and seeing what they do indoors in winter. Thank you for the seed! KarenO

December 13, 2014	#185
Fusion_power Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,250	Chris, Sungold smells just like S. Habrochaites. The smell segregates from the high brix trait at a ratio of 32:1 meaning if you grow 32 plants 1 of them will be very sweet without the typical sungold smell. Combining high brix with excellent tomato flavor has been a bit difficult. So far, I've seen very sweet fruit in the F2 or F3, but it segregates the next generation indicating some of the genes for high brix are dominant and others are recessive. I got 1 F5 plant out of about 300 grown that exhibits high brix and outstanding tomato flavor.