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Old June 22, 2017   #1
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My coworker who is doing an EB for the first time put in the wrong medium, I've learned. Instead of a potting mix (and I specified Promix), he went to Armstrong nursery where an employee there professed no knowledge of EBs but recommended a PLANTING mix which is recommended to be mixed into native soil in the ground . So no wonder the soil in this EB is rock hard and the tomato looked ok at first and set a couple of fruit but is not doing so well now.
What can be done at this point? Anything?
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Old June 22, 2017   #2
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Keep watering it and let the water run out the over flow hole.

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Old June 22, 2017   #3
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I agree. Try to keep the soil mix from getting dry and hard.
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Old June 22, 2017   #4
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Therein lies the rub. The stuff that will compact hard when dry will retain way too much moisture when watered heavily.

In a standard container the only real solution as far as I know is to transplant into a good medium. If the plant is large, though, it will have to be cut back to make this possible, as the root system will be handicapped for a while.

Now, aren't EBs self-watering? The top may be hard and dry, but what's going on below the soil line? Got a moisture meter?
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I had to babble out something that might work so others would post to help.
The question sat around too long without answers.
I still think my idea would work at this time because it is hard to transplant while plants are stetting fruit.
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You're right there, and some water probably won't hurt it right now.

I'm not all that clear on how EB's work. Don't they just wick up from a reservoir? If so, maybe the wick isn't set up right. Or maybe the plant is in need of some ferts. Hard to tell without a pic.
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Yes, i think the wicking system has been compromised. No longer able to keep the
benefits of that system so top watering makes sense. Flooding? or getting those dry
roots some water and ferts right now might help. Prime time for food and moisture.

And some mulch to hold that moisture from drying out. They have an overflow so they
will not sit in wet soggy soil?
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The only way to fix that would be to remove the plant and put in the correct mix. If it's a large plant it will have to be laid sideways in the box to get the roots going on it again and make it good and strong. There is absolutely no way that plant will survive in there, it's just too heavy a medium for anything to grow in there.

This person should follow the exact instructions from Earthbox to make sure the box will wick the water into the medium.
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The only way to fix that would be to remove the plant and put in the correct mix. If it's a large plant it will have to be laid sideways in the box to get the roots going on it again and make it good and strong. There is absolutely no way that plant will survive in there, it's just too heavy a medium for anything to grow in there.

This person should follow the exact instructions from Earthbox to make sure the box will wick the water into the medium.
Agreed. There is too much clay in the current mix to ever work well.
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Old June 23, 2017   #10
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I have grown in containers containing 100% actual soil, and not good one either. Like below average clay soil. Cherry tomatoes at least grow ok. Overall growth is slower and all but they have been doing well and producing all season long. I'm pretty sure that soil she got is way better than that.
This was with top watering. Maybe the soil is not wicking enough or too much, so no good for self watering. So either take the plants out and put new mix, or switch to top watering.
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Co-worker needs to RTFM.
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Co-worker needs to RTFM.
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RTFM = Read The "Flipping" Manual?
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Co-worker needs to RTFM.
Sometimes learning is painful.
In the co-workers defense, said person was talked into what said person used. Earthboxes are quite confusing at first. I know I read and I read and I read about global buckets for a very long time. Then we made four of them and then I discovered Earthbox After that I discovered Raybo's Earthtainers. I've had them all. There is definite newbie confusion.
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I think the only mistake the co-worker made was putting their trust in someone who didn't RTFM, but made a recommendation anyway...
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Sometimes when I am trying to have fun, it can come across harsh.
Blame it on NY roots.
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