New England Heirloom Growers - Page 2

cottonpicker · February 28, 2006

Grub... yep.. the Pilgrims landed there as a 2nd. choice by necessity since, according to their ship's log, they were running out of "beere & other provisions". Beer was (and still is) safer than water. LOL ... All kidding aside, my mother's family settled in Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1640- only 20 years after the pilgrims..

Grub · February 28, 2006

Thanks for putting up with my OT question.

Larry,
I hope your ancestor's brought tomatoes. Have a great tomato meet and tasting.

moucheur · February 28, 2006

Well, we do speak English. Some of us still even drop the "r" in spoken syllables, as the English but few other Americans do. "Pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd" is a well-known spoof of the Boston accent. There are lots of old English place names all over New England, and families descended from the original settlers.

However, we were also the first colonies in North America to break out in open insurrection against the Crown, and the first rebellious colonials to be slain by the muskets of British regulars, over 225 years ago now, so our independent streak is quite old and deep. New England kids today grow up learning that "Redcoats" were the tyrannical oppressors, not the valiant victors at Waterloo.

There is still a sense of historic connection, and a reverence for the past as befits one of the earliest-settled regions of the country, but those connections are quite ancient now, and there isn't the same strong sentimental sense of a shared living heritage that you would find in more recently and amicably separated former colonies like Canada or Australia.

To see a modern New Hampshire license plate, bearing traditional colonial-era motto: http://riskprof.typepad.com/nh2002.jpg

To see the First Navy Jack, authorized by Esek Hopkins of Rhode Island, first commander of the (rebel) Continental Navy, 1775: http://www.navyjack.info/i/clipart/Navy-Jack-flag.gif

moucheur · February 28, 2006

Humph. That Navy Jack link didn't work. Sorry.

Grub · February 28, 2006

Thanks Mouch,

I reckon I found the red-and-white navy jack with a little searching. Good strong flag.

Thanks to you input, and that slogan —★ Live Free or Die — I'm thinking we Aussies have something in common with you New Englanders.

Now, you just need to work on the weather :wink:
I'm counting on plenty of cold beer.

tjg911 · March 1, 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grub

Thanks Mishcka,

This really is interesting. I do appreciate the links and look forward to reading some more.

Has the culture in any way retained ties to England?

Have a great season,

Grub

YES! i bought a Land Rover!

if you attend i insist that you stop in connecticut to visit me.

edited to change my avatar to the iside of my Rover.

tom

Grub · March 1, 2006

That's very posh, Tom. Nice car!

My suburb of Manly is overrun by Poms. They swarm the beaches and mostly return to land half-drowned and red as a beefsteak.

They're not much good at anything adventurous, but they try harder than most. And it's quite entertaining.

Grub, waiting for a

tjg911 · March 2, 2006

grub,

land rover.... series III 88 1973.... this is basicly a farm tractor that can go from 0-50 in 32 seconds!

posh? i think you may have confused my old rover with discoveries or range rovers or the freelander. like night and day!

a "series" land rover is not like any modern vehicle! ask the poor people stuck behind me but i can pull the side off your house!

tom

Grub · March 2, 2006

Lol Tom,
I stand corrected. Couldn't see the detail in the avatar. That's a classic Land Rover alright. And none too posh. Au contraire!

On the gear changes: if you can't find 'em, grind 'em :wink:

4WDs used mainly as shopping trolleys here and many wouldn't pull the skin off a rice custard.

February 28, 2006	#16
cottonpicker Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SE PA..near Valley Forge Posts: 839	Grub... yep.. the Pilgrims landed there as a 2nd. choice by necessity since, according to their ship's log, they were running out of "beere & other provisions". Beer was (and still is) safer than water. LOL ... All kidding aside, my mother's family settled in Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1640- only 20 years after the pilgrims.. __________________ "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause". Victor Hugo

February 28, 2006	#17
Grub Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,722	Thanks for that Thanks for putting up with my OT question. Larry, I hope your ancestor's brought tomatoes. Have a great tomato meet and tasting.

February 28, 2006	#20
Grub Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,722	Mouch. Thanks Mouch, I reckon I found the red-and-white navy jack with a little searching. Good strong flag. Thanks to you input, and that slogan —★ Live Free or Die — I'm thinking we Aussies have something in common with you New Englanders. Now, you just need to work on the weather :wink: I'm counting on plenty of cold beer.

March 1, 2006	#22
Grub Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,722	English car That's very posh, Tom. Nice car! My suburb of Manly is overrun by Poms. They swarm the beaches and mostly return to land half-drowned and red as a beefsteak. They're not much good at anything adventurous, but they try harder than most. And it's quite entertaining. Grub, waiting for a

March 2, 2006	#24
Grub Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,722	Lol Lol Tom, I stand corrected. Couldn't see the detail in the avatar. That's a classic Land Rover alright. And none too posh. Au contraire! On the gear changes: if you can't find 'em, grind 'em :wink: 4WDs used mainly as shopping trolleys here and many wouldn't pull the skin off a rice custard.

February 28, 2006	#18
moucheur Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Boston, Mass. Posts: 50	Well, we do speak English. Some of us still even drop the "r" in spoken syllables, as the English but few other Americans do. "Pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd" is a well-known spoof of the Boston accent. There are lots of old English place names all over New England, and families descended from the original settlers. However, we were also the first colonies in North America to break out in open insurrection against the Crown, and the first rebellious colonials to be slain by the muskets of British regulars, over 225 years ago now, so our independent streak is quite old and deep. New England kids today grow up learning that "Redcoats" were the tyrannical oppressors, not the valiant victors at Waterloo. There is still a sense of historic connection, and a reverence for the past as befits one of the earliest-settled regions of the country, but those connections are quite ancient now, and there isn't the same strong sentimental sense of a shared living heritage that you would find in more recently and amicably separated former colonies like Canada or Australia. To see a modern New Hampshire license plate, bearing traditional colonial-era motto: http://riskprof.typepad.com/nh2002.jpg To see the First Navy Jack, authorized by Esek Hopkins of Rhode Island, first commander of the (rebel) Continental Navy, 1775: http://www.navyjack.info/i/clipart/Navy-Jack-flag.gif

March 2, 2006	#23
tjg911 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: zone 5b northwest connecticut Posts: 2,570	grub, land rover.... series III 88 1973.... this is basicly a farm tractor that can go from 0-50 in 32 seconds! posh? i think you may have confused my old rover with discoveries or range rovers or the freelander. like night and day! a "series" land rover is not like any modern vehicle! ask the poor people stuck behind me but i can pull the side off your house! tom