Czech OP tomatoes- my project 2014-2016 - Page 10

heirloomtomaguy · November 18, 2014

Nice pics. I too really like the look of Datlo. Great job Vladimir.

MrBig46 · January 13, 2015

This year I have poised 28 varieties seeds of Czech tomatoes from these nine new:Brutus- indeterminant Giant, red
Citrína- indeterminant,salad, yellow, in the shape of a lemon
Hugo- indeterminante, red, fruit shape and size like San Marzano Gigante
Taiko- indeterminant, fruit banana yellow, elongated, salad
Šejk- determinant, red, paste cooking, round
Hana- determinant, red, salad, round
Terion- determinant, red, salad , round
Olomovic- seeds from Tania, it's probably Olomoucke nízké (Olomouc low)
Czech´s Bush- ????
In 2016, I want to grow some tomatoes that are grown in the Czech Republic in the first half of the last century. So far I have done such a provisional selection:
1901- Mikado, Giant Pendorose
1923- Trophy, Ficarazzi, Re Umberto, Triumph, Gnom
1924- Alice Rosewelt, President Garfield, Pařížské tržní, Perfection, Chemin, Magnum Bonum, Král raných, Lucullus, Danish Export
1929-Don Margen, Lotringen,
1932-Tuckswood´s favorit, Heterosis
1935- Marglobe
1938-Condine Red, Bonner Beste
1939- Early Sunrisse
1940- Goden jubilee, Golden queen
1946- Winner, Golden Glory, Golden Sunrisse

For each information about where I could seeds of these varieties to replace or buy thank you in advance (I have time to the fact throughout the year
Vladimír

bower · January 13, 2015

Vladimir, are you still looking for seed of Czech's Bush?

It's on my grow list this year, and I have eight seeds for it which came in last year's swap. I could send you four seeds if you need them right away, and try the other four. I only need one plant for myself and I was thinking about starting it early and give it a try on the windowsill - if I get one from two seeds I could send you the rest by early february if that is not too late. The year marked on the packet is 2013 so they should be good, although it doesn't say if it was bagged or not - foliage should be rugose? if it is true seed it should be clear from the first true leaves.

I'll be sure to save lots of seed from Czech's Bush this year, if it's a difficult one to find. If you need for this year, send me a PM.

MrBig46 · January 14, 2015

Vladimír

MrBig46 · January 14, 2015

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBig46

Thank you Bower. I have seeds Czech's bush and Olomovic from Tania. I wrote it wrong. Those question marks ( ????) means that I do not know how this tomato originally named in our country.
Vladimír

FLRedHeart · January 14, 2015

What an excellent project Vladimir. You are very motivated! I see your Brutus variety and you make a comment on a tomato you call Giant Pendorose that was grown in Czech zone.

I wonder if you can grow these two varieties beside each other to see if they are perhaps related! I think maybe "Giant Pendorose" is a selected version of heirloom Ponderosa (pink).

If you can do that, I will get you Ponderosa and also send you Marglobe (Ponderosa is grandparent), if you didn't get mine or someone else's from the swap
Cheers!

KLorentz · January 14, 2015

Very nice looking tomatoes Vladimir . Most of the varieties that I have grown from that part of the world are from Ukraine and Russia. Would love to try some from your country.

clara · January 14, 2015

Vladimir, I'm planning to grow President Garfield and Magnum Bonum this year (I have only very few seeds, otherwise I would already send you some). If I have good luck and no late blight again, I shall send you seeds later this fall.

MrBig46 · January 15, 2015

I want to grow the old varieties of tomatoes until 2016.
FLRedHeart- good idea to cultivate Giant Penderose and Brutus side by side. If you are interested about Brutus send me PM. I no longer have a place and I'm still waiting the seeed from Mystery swap (some Dwarves)
KLorentz- send me a PM about what you are interested in
Clara- I am looking forward and hope
Thank you all.
Vladimír

KLorentz · January 15, 2015

Hi Vladimir,

Will be sending you a pm tomorrow . Caught your post rather late. Noticed the names with the pics and can tell you my nieces and nephews are very fond of tomatoes the size of bibi for snacking right off the vine. They don't even wait to get inside

**carolyn137** · January 15, 2015

Vladimir, there are several on your list that I have seeds for, but the seeds are so old I decalre them to be antiques, and I would hesitate to send such olf seeds to anyone.

But if you have no other sources, here's just one of them, where I SSE listed it back in about 1995.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/A...b=General_Info

At that time Craig Lehoullier and I were geting seeds from the USDA seed bank when it was still possible to do that, and that's where the above one came from.

Another one was Ithink cllaed King George, Tania, doesn lsitit, but all those ones from that time persiod that we got were small red fruits with not much taste.

I see you also have Roi Humberto aka Umberto, former King of Italy listed but those are quite common and I may have some fresher seeds of those, but while I didn't check there should be several sources for those,as well as several sources for some of the others such as Triumph, Trophy, etc all of which Craig and I got out and SSE listed. I didn't check any of those at Tania's website.

As I said above, Ijust don't like to send out such old seeds but if no other source I will, but not until I have someone help me this summer get out those vials.

Carolyn

MrBig46 · January 19, 2015

This list is only a plan which tomatoes I could grow in 2016. I need to do a lot of work to complete the list.
1. I must find out which tomatoes grew in the period 1901-1924 (Moravian Country Library)
2. I must find all available information on varieties that I want to grow - descriptions, pictures (Czech gene bank, Tatiana´s TOMATObase, GOOGLE, etc.)
3. I must find out the offer of seeds (Tomatoville, Tatiana´s TOMATObase, GOOGLE, etc.)
4. Sometimes at the end of September, I'll buy seeds

Re Umberto:
I want the version Re Umberto without nipple on the blossom end. I want to buy an Italian website.
Vladimír

Tania · January 20, 2015

Vladimir, this is a great project! Will love to see your results.

All the best,
Tatiana

charline · January 20, 2015

you can buy seeds for König Humbert in Germany
Manfred Hahm http://tomaten.bplaced.net/tomatenhahm.html nr. 192
pics see on Reinhard Krafts website

**carolyn137** · January 20, 2015

Quote:

Originally Posted by charline

you can buy seeds for König Humbert in Germany
Manfred Hahm http://tomaten.bplaced.net/tomatenhahm.html nr. 192
pics see on Reinhard Krafts website

Charline, the picture is from Reinhard's Photogallerie but that doesn't mean that what Manfred lists is the same , see # 191 and 192 on Manfred's list. Manfred gets varieties from all over the place, and most not in Reinhard's photogallerie.

There's an outside chance that I may have some fresh seeds for Vladimir for King Humbert/aka Konig Humberto, aka Roi Humbert from someone in Italy and I'd like to think that since this variety was named after an Italian king they should be good.

Carolyn

November 18, 2014	#136
heirloomtomaguy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2013 Location: glendora ca Posts: 2,560	Nice pics. I too really like the look of Datlo. Great job Vladimir. __________________ “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

January 14, 2015	#139
MrBig46 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Czech republic Posts: 2,528	Vladimír Last edited by MrBig46; January 14, 2015 at 01:10 AM.

January 14, 2015	#141
FLRedHeart Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: FL 8b/9a Posts: 262	What an excellent project Vladimir. You are very motivated! I see your Brutus variety and you make a comment on a tomato you call Giant Pendorose that was grown in Czech zone. I wonder if you can grow these two varieties beside each other to see if they are perhaps related! I think maybe "Giant Pendorose" is a selected version of heirloom Ponderosa (pink). If you can do that, I will get you Ponderosa and also send you Marglobe (Ponderosa is grandparent), if you didn't get mine or someone else's from the swap Cheers! Last edited by FLRedHeart; January 14, 2015 at 01:29 AM.

January 14, 2015	#142
KLorentz Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Stryker, Ohio Posts: 995	Very nice looking tomatoes Vladimir . Most of the varieties that I have grown from that part of the world are from Ukraine and Russia. Would love to try some from your country. __________________ Enhance your calm John Spartan.

January 15, 2015	#145
KLorentz Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Stryker, Ohio Posts: 995	Hi Vladimir, Will be sending you a pm tomorrow . Caught your post rather late. Noticed the names with the pics and can tell you my nieces and nephews are very fond of tomatoes the size of bibi for snacking right off the vine. They don't even wait to get inside __________________ Enhance your calm John Spartan.

January 13, 2015	#137
MrBig46 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Czech republic Posts: 2,528	This year I have poised 28 varieties seeds of Czech tomatoes from these nine new:Brutus- indeterminant Giant, red Citrína- indeterminant,salad, yellow, in the shape of a lemon Hugo- indeterminante, red, fruit shape and size like San Marzano Gigante Taiko- indeterminant, fruit banana yellow, elongated, salad Šejk- determinant, red, paste cooking, round Hana- determinant, red, salad, round Terion- determinant, red, salad , round Olomovic- seeds from Tania, it's probably Olomoucke nízké (Olomouc low) Czech´s Bush- ???? In 2016, I want to grow some tomatoes that are grown in the Czech Republic in the first half of the last century. So far I have done such a provisional selection: 1901- Mikado, Giant Pendorose 1923- Trophy, Ficarazzi, Re Umberto, Triumph, Gnom 1924- Alice Rosewelt, President Garfield, Pařížské tržní, Perfection, Chemin, Magnum Bonum, Král raných, Lucullus, Danish Export 1929-Don Margen, Lotringen, 1932-Tuckswood´s favorit, Heterosis 1935- Marglobe 1938-Condine Red, Bonner Beste 1939- Early Sunrisse 1940- Goden jubilee, Golden queen 1946- Winner, Golden Glory, Golden Sunrisse For each information about where I could seeds of these varieties to replace or buy thank you in advance (I have time to the fact throughout the year Vladimír

January 13, 2015	#138
bower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 6,793	Vladimir, are you still looking for seed of Czech's Bush? It's on my grow list this year, and I have eight seeds for it which came in last year's swap. I could send you four seeds if you need them right away, and try the other four. I only need one plant for myself and I was thinking about starting it early and give it a try on the windowsill - if I get one from two seeds I could send you the rest by early february if that is not too late. The year marked on the packet is 2013 so they should be good, although it doesn't say if it was bagged or not - foliage should be rugose? if it is true seed it should be clear from the first true leaves. I'll be sure to save lots of seed from Czech's Bush this year, if it's a difficult one to find. If you need for this year, send me a PM.

January 14, 2015	#143
clara Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,351	Vladimir, I'm planning to grow President Garfield and Magnum Bonum this year (I have only very few seeds, otherwise I would already send you some). If I have good luck and no late blight again, I shall send you seeds later this fall.

January 15, 2015	#144
MrBig46 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Czech republic Posts: 2,528	I want to grow the old varieties of tomatoes until 2016. FLRedHeart- good idea to cultivate Giant Penderose and Brutus side by side. If you are interested about Brutus send me PM. I no longer have a place and I'm still waiting the seeed from Mystery swap (some Dwarves) KLorentz- send me a PM about what you are interested in Clara- I am looking forward and hope Thank you all. Vladimír

January 15, 2015	#146
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Vladimir, there are several on your list that I have seeds for, but the seeds are so old I decalre them to be antiques, and I would hesitate to send such olf seeds to anyone. But if you have no other sources, here's just one of them, where I SSE listed it back in about 1995. http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/A...b=General_Info At that time Craig Lehoullier and I were geting seeds from the USDA seed bank when it was still possible to do that, and that's where the above one came from. Another one was Ithink cllaed King George, Tania, doesn lsitit, but all those ones from that time persiod that we got were small red fruits with not much taste. I see you also have Roi Humberto aka Umberto, former King of Italy listed but those are quite common and I may have some fresher seeds of those, but while I didn't check there should be several sources for those,as well as several sources for some of the others such as Triumph, Trophy, etc all of which Craig and I got out and SSE listed. I didn't check any of those at Tania's website. As I said above, Ijust don't like to send out such old seeds but if no other source I will, but not until I have someone help me this summer get out those vials. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

January 20, 2015	#148
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	Vladimir, this is a great project! Will love to see your results. All the best, Tatiana __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase

January 20, 2015	#149
charline Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: France Posts: 688	you can buy seeds for König Humbert in Germany Manfred Hahm http://tomaten.bplaced.net/tomatenhahm.html nr. 192 pics see on Reinhard Krafts website