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Old May 27, 2017   #1
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Default Large Fruited OP Container Friendly


Hi all,
I chose 6 varieties this year just for fruit size and container friendly
.....To see how it goes .
Even at risk of not being as productive as the medium size fruit varieties
in Containers ...I just had to try it ..

These are the 6 :
Zinulya
Krasnodor Titans
Loxton Ladd
EM Champion
Velmozha
Brandy Fred

+++++++

All Plants are very healthy ...

but EM Champion and Velmozha

are ahead and set fruit early .....by a country mile !

Does anyone else have insights into this Large fruited container endeavor ?
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If you had planted medium sized fruit, which varieties would you have chosen?

I planted 5 dwarfs and the fruits are small to medium, and they are somewhat productive. Each plant will have one or two medium sized fruits with the rest of the fruits being small, but good.
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No insights but sign me up for your updates! Just looked at Velmozha on Tomatobase... nice looking fruit!
Hearts have one big advantage for cool short seasons - no catfacing.
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No insights but sign me up for your updates! Just looked at Velmozha on Tomatobase... nice looking fruit!
Hearts have one big advantage for cool short seasons - no catfacing.
Oh ya ... I have Zolotoe Serdtse going this year as well

Thanks for the tip from years gone by..

Real good experience and recommendations

for the cool maritime environment ...
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If you had planted medium sized fruit, which varieties would you have chosen?

I planted 5 dwarfs and the fruits are small to medium, and they are somewhat productive. Each plant will have one or two medium sized fruits with the rest of the fruits being small, but good.

Funny you should ask ....this year I have about 42+ varieties
(cutting back this year ..lol)

This year I have 6 other OP varieties of the international dwarf project :


Dwarf Arctic Rose
Dwarf Pink Passion (new for me )
Sarandipity (new for me)
Boronia
Yukon Quest
Sweet Adelaide ( new to me)

I was so impressed last year with Boronia and Dwarf Arctic Rose last year

they had to come back.......

Yukon Quest was a Hardy one for me from before

I am always a happy camper with Yaponskiy Karlik (Japanese Dwarf)
Betalux
Fuzzy Wuzzy
Black Prince
also Sophie's Choice







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Believe It Or Not !
Ananas Noire is the smallest indet, with some of the largest tomatoes in my garden. I have 2 of them, both the same size. It is early too.
Here is my first AN in the picture ( Marked as AN on the plate)
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Ananas Noire is the smallest indet, with some of the largest tomatoes in my garden. I have 2 of them, both the same size. It is early too.
Here is my first AN in the picture ( Marked as AN on the plate)
wow !
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It's a very cold spring here, and I have only one heart variety coming along... Already cramped for space, but I'll try to include more hearts next year.
The ones I have grown have been great, but some (Kosovo, Fishlake oxheart) were susceptible to BER.
Russian ones (Zolotoy Korol, Zolotoy Serdtse) not so.
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It's a very cold spring here, and I have only one heart variety coming along... Already cramped for space, but I'll try to include more hearts next year.
The ones I have grown have been great, but some (Kosovo, Fishlake oxheart) were susceptible to BER.
Russian ones (Zolotoy Korol, Zolotoy Serdtse) not so.
I just try a bunch of likely candidate Tomato varieties .......

and the ones that are outstanding in my cool climate culture

......make themselves known by observation and trial .
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Default Mid June Update Large Fruited Container friendly

Here it is Ok , OK ,

from my environmental perspective and this look from the early season.

These are the 6 highlighted Large fruited Container friendly varieties :

Zinulya
Krasnodor Titans
Loxton Ladd
EM Champion
Velmozha
Brandy Fred



at this time in the season ......


No. 1 by a wide margin is

EM Champion ....it appears to be a true

Large fruited , EARLY, container friendly ,

to sun , cold starts , and record heat spells ...WOW !

still setting fruit well ahead of the others... WOW !


No. 2 is Velmozha with lots of fruit set .....well along

similar attributes to EM champion one fruit with BER though (only one).

no.3 ribbon is for Loxton ladd healthy looking and set fruit ...etc.


No.4 guess is BrandyFred ....nothing is wrong ...plant is beautiful and healthy just later along and no fruit set yet ..or as early ...no fruit yet ...but looks good...


No.5 Zinulya same as above no fruit set ... I would also note I think Zinulya

is a bit more sensitive to being set out in marginal situations than the above
4 varieties with wind , sun , cold etc. but it looks good ..just later .

No. 6 Krasnodor Titans seems not as comfortable in the 7 gallon situation ...
seems "hungrier " for nutes and no fruit set yet . lots of blossums..


Before you Jump all over me for this Mid June rating ..

I fully acknowledge that some varieties will develop later in their own time and nothing is wrong ...and it most likely is worth the wait ....


I think it is a good early sample to rate :


For environmental comparison....... other early varieties in my 2017 garden going full guns or have set fruit already include ...


Gold nugget
Chibbiko
Betalux
Black Cherry
Black Prince
Dwarf Arctic Rose (exceptional fruit set )

Rejina Red
Zluta Kytice
Hahm's Gelbe
Venus
Buckbee (Tatiana's mystery one ...good one)

also hybrids : Juliet , Sungold, Bigbeef etc.














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Default Repost of good list 2016 from Andrey it is Great !

Besides EM Champion there are some other Siberian determinate tomato varieties with large fruit:

Rozovyi Myod (=Pink Honey in English)
Danko
Velmozha
Kanopus
Gina
Tolstyi Jack (=Fat Jack in English)
Shtambovyi Krupnoplodnyi (=Tree-type Large-fruited in English)

Andrey_BY

.................................................. ...............................

I think the above a great list for this thread.

I will continue in 2018 with trial of Danko

and also Anna Maria's Heart (from Victory seeds)

also not large one but Dwarf Lemon Ice .....


and that's all folks .....I have successfully eliminated the future ...with all the varieties to trial .....LOL




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Besides EM Champion there are some other Siberian determinate tomato varieties with large fruit:

Rozovyi Myod (=Pink Honey in English)
Danko
Velmozha
Kanopus
Gina
Tolstyi Jack (=Fat Jack in English)
Shtambovyi Krupnoplodnyi (=Tree-type Large-fruited in English)

Andrey_BY

.................................................. ...............................

I think the above a great list for this thread.

I will continue in 2018 with trial of Danko

and also Anna Maria's Heart (from Victory seeds)

also not large one but Dwarf Lemon Ice .....


and that's all folks .....I have successfully eliminated the future ...with all the varieties to trial .....LOL



I did receive In Mail Today :

Anna Maria's Heart
Danko
Dwarf Lemon Ice

And THAT IS IT ......2018 is spoken for ! talk about over programming !

Future eliminated !
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No. 6 Krasnodor Titans seems not as comfortable in the 7 gallon situation ... seems "hungrier " for nutes and no fruit set yet . lots of blossums..
I have some Krasnodor Titan seeds. I hope they produce for you. I would like to know more about them. I asked about them and this nice moderator lady up in NY named Carolyn told me they are basically rocks.
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I have some Krasnodor Titan seeds. I hope they produce for you. I would like to know more about them. I asked about them and this nice moderator lady up in NY named Carolyn told me they are basically rocks.
I don't think there is anything wrong with them ....but ..

They are noted as Container friendly and Large fruited ..

Folks may be annoyed at me ...but I Just wanted to see

Which of the Large fruited selection did best in 7 gallon containers here etc.


I did not filter much for consideration of Flavor...or if they were "Rocks"


Just ...If I can get Tomatoes, Large Tomatoes, ...Lots of Large Tomatoes,

In this cool container environment ..Trial.

earlier is better ...but I can also wait mid season ...for the better tasting ones ...etc. ( Brandy Fred is looking awesome ...just later ).


lol....I am sure that nice moderator lady in NY is most likely right about the

actual fruit quality ...but amazingly enough .... fruit quality is not the prime

challenge at this stage of exploration Trial here .


Sorry if we offend with this Tomato sacrilege.....



It may be the case ...they end up to be a "10 + gallon container" one

and not as easygoing happy in 7 gallons etc.
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Default Large Fruited 7 Gallon Gallery PIX August 12th

Large Fruited Gallery with 7 Gallon Pix. August 12th :

Top Row : Left to Right

BrandyFred , Zinulya , Velmozha , Loxton Ladd


Bottom Row : (honorable mention comparison ) Left to Right

Boronia , Dwarf Arctic Rose , Yukon Quest .


Missing From Pix. EM Champion , and Krasnodor Titans .



Pros & Cons so Far :

Brandy Fred : Large nice fruit/nice healthy PL good taste ...close to late variety for me Still producing ...

Zinulya : The Largest fruit ..but sprawly foliage and few fruit ...seems to want Bigger than the 7 gallon container to be in best production ..later production.


Velmozha : produced early and still producing (semi-determinate?) large yields ...medium hearts many double hearts = large This one is a Must grow again ! I think more zippy flavour than EM champion which is a bit more sweeter.


Loxton Ladd : Lots of good orange flavourful fruit early for me ...still producing
but medium fruit only for me.



Comparison of notable mediums :

Boronia : Very close to Large fruit ...great flavour a bit later but comes in and produces Big Time .


Dwarf ArcticRose : Produced early and heavy yields ..still producing ...


Yukon Quest : comes in Later medium fruit (but tolerates smaller containers)



None of the above in the gallery had disease or BER ..yet .. in a very stressful record heat year .


Amazing enough my hybrid BIG BEEFs were the ones that got disease ,,,and were

"decomissioned "...
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