Côtelée de Valence (Ribbed Valencia) - sources?

KathyDC · June 18, 2013

Hello,

Does anyone know whether anyone offers this seed for sale to the U.S.? Or if there's anyone out there who might be willing to trade me the seed? I love the look of the fruit (http://essaime-artomate.be/modeles/c...deValence.html) but am having a hard time finding seeds. Nobody is listing them in the 2013 yearbook either.

Thanks,
Kathy

habitat_gardener · June 18, 2013

I haven't heard of this one, but you can search for other ribbed/pleated/ruffled varieties at Tatiana's Tomatobase. Costoluto ("ribbed" in Italian) varieties tend to be flatter than the one you're seeking. Some stuffing varieties are pleated, too. I grew a Cour d'Albenga that was pear-shaped and occasionally pleated, something like Liguria or Red Pear Gransasso. But none of these have that squared-off bell-pepper shape -- Yellow Stuffer and Yellow Ruffled do, but with less ribbing than Ribbed Valencia. A smaller but very pleated (and flat) tomato is Purple Calabash.

KathyDC · June 18, 2013

Thanks for the suggestions! I am very new to all of this and still figuring out what I want to focus on, but I'm finding I like the looks of the ribbed/pleated/ruffled etc. varieties. So I may explore those a little more. But I am really stuck on finding a source for this Cotelee de Valence. I am even dusting off my college French so I can email folks who have it posted in various places.

Kathy

ChilliJez · June 18, 2013

Kathy

I love quests such as yours to find a specific variety for whatever reason.

It happens that I'm on vacation about 80 miles (130km) north of the town of Valence in France. I'm only here for a couple of days more but I'll ask what questions I can.

What a delight if it could be sourced. I'll post soon.

Jeremy

ChilliJez · June 18, 2013

This may help.

http://semeurs.free.fr/wiki/index.ph...A9e_de_Valence

KathyDC · June 18, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChilliJez

Kathy

I love quests such as yours to find a specific variety for whatever reason.

It happens that I'm on vacation about 80 miles (130km) north of the town of Valence in France. I'm only here for a couple of days more but I'll ask what questions I can.

What a delight if it could be sourced. I'll post soon.

Jeremy

Thank you so much! Even thinking to do such a thing is very kind. Let me know if you turn up anything interesting, and thanks also for the link to the French wiki. I'll reach out to those listed!

Kathy

ChilliJez · June 18, 2013

C'est de rien

KathyDC · June 24, 2013

Quick update - I managed to find a farmer in France that has the seed and is willing to share it, along with several other old French heirloom varieties I've never heard of.

I'm hoping to grow them all out next year and reoffer seed.

Kathy

ChristinaJo · July 8, 2013

I have been looking for this variety as well. I found one site so far, it's in Japanese!!!! I have never ordered from them before...I will keep looking. If I can't find anything else, and you can't get your hands on any, then I may risk it....it shows they're out of stock.

Heirloom Pink Tomato エアルーム・トマト・ピンク種子
www.heirloom-tomato-farm.com/SHOP/.../list.html

I found this, as well, but don't know french and how to go from there..
http://ventmarin.free.fr/passion_tom...de_valence.htm

Here's another Japanese site

http://park.estore.jp/items/index?dm....kk&icd=tc0925

ChristinaJo · July 9, 2013

I didn't know the exchange rate. I may be reading this wrong, but I think 1050 yen is about $11 U.S. dollars!? Wow.

KathyDC · July 9, 2013

How funny! The pictures look like they were ripped off from Ventmarin though. Of course sometimes that happens, doesn't make them necessarily unreputable in terms of their seed but that did give me some pause.

I have yet to receive my seed from the French seedman but I have potentially another avenue that I'm exploring. Let's keep in touch! If I get some, happy to share with you and I hope vice versa.

Kathy

ChristinaJo · July 9, 2013

I don't mean to "be mean", but the Japanese site makes me a little nervous. No Paypal or protection......

I have been in contact with "info.tomato" in France. I believe that they are connected with Ventmarin. He is looking at some of my seed for trade. I hope he wants something I have!!!
Yes, If I can get my hands on some, I will share!

I also emailed JandL in France. I am still waiting for a response. Keep your fingers crossed!

June 18, 2013	#1
KathyDC Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Suburban Washington, DC (Zone 7A) Posts: 347	Côtelée de Valence (Ribbed Valencia) - sources? Hello, Does anyone know whether anyone offers this seed for sale to the U.S.? Or if there's anyone out there who might be willing to trade me the seed? I love the look of the fruit (http://essaime-artomate.be/modeles/c...deValence.html) but am having a hard time finding seeds. Nobody is listing them in the 2013 yearbook either. Thanks, Kathy

June 18, 2013	#3
KathyDC Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Suburban Washington, DC (Zone 7A) Posts: 347	Thanks for the suggestions! I am very new to all of this and still figuring out what I want to focus on, but I'm finding I like the looks of the ribbed/pleated/ruffled etc. varieties. So I may explore those a little more. But I am really stuck on finding a source for this Cotelee de Valence. I am even dusting off my college French so I can email folks who have it posted in various places. Kathy Last edited by KathyDC; June 18, 2013 at 04:26 PM.

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ChilliJez Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2012 Location: UK Posts: 57	cotelee or Cotelette Kathy I love quests such as yours to find a specific variety for whatever reason. It happens that I'm on vacation about 80 miles (130km) north of the town of Valence in France. I'm only here for a couple of days more but I'll ask what questions I can. What a delight if it could be sourced. I'll post soon. Jeremy

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ChilliJez Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2012 Location: UK Posts: 57	Cotelee de Valence more This may help. http://semeurs.free.fr/wiki/index.ph...A9e_de_Valence

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ChilliJez Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2012 Location: UK Posts: 57	C'est de rien Last edited by ChilliJez; June 18, 2013 at 05:43 PM.

June 18, 2013	#2
habitat_gardener Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California Central Valley Posts: 2,540	I haven't heard of this one, but you can search for other ribbed/pleated/ruffled varieties at Tatiana's Tomatobase. Costoluto ("ribbed" in Italian) varieties tend to be flatter than the one you're seeking. Some stuffing varieties are pleated, too. I grew a Cour d'Albenga that was pear-shaped and occasionally pleated, something like Liguria or Red Pear Gransasso. But none of these have that squared-off bell-pepper shape -- Yellow Stuffer and Yellow Ruffled do, but with less ribbing than Ribbed Valencia. A smaller but very pleated (and flat) tomato is Purple Calabash.

June 24, 2013	#8
KathyDC Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Suburban Washington, DC (Zone 7A) Posts: 347	Quick update - I managed to find a farmer in France that has the seed and is willing to share it, along with several other old French heirloom varieties I've never heard of. I'm hoping to grow them all out next year and reoffer seed. Kathy

July 8, 2013	#9
ChristinaJo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NE Texas Posts: 425	I have been looking for this variety as well. I found one site so far, it's in Japanese!!!! I have never ordered from them before...I will keep looking. If I can't find anything else, and you can't get your hands on any, then I may risk it....it shows they're out of stock. Heirloom Pink Tomato エアルーム・トマト・ピンク種子 www.heirloom-tomato-farm.com/SHOP/.../list.html I found this, as well, but don't know french and how to go from there.. http://ventmarin.free.fr/passion_tom...de_valence.htm Here's another Japanese site http://park.estore.jp/items/index?dm....kk&icd=tc0925 Last edited by ChristinaJo; July 9, 2013 at 12:54 AM. Reason: adding more info

July 9, 2013	#10
ChristinaJo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NE Texas Posts: 425	I didn't know the exchange rate. I may be reading this wrong, but I think 1050 yen is about $11 U.S. dollars!? Wow.