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Old July 14, 2017   #1
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No those are bulbils, clones of the parent, and they can be used to grow clones of the parent. Takes 2-3 years to get full size on them.
In order to get TGS, bulbils must be carefully levered off, and the flowers might then pollinate and create true seed.
That's the nutshell, more detailed info eslewhere on t'ville and the web.
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I should have explained the pictures better. In the first pic you can see the scape in bloom with bulbils and flowers. The forth pic is the bloom in the center with bulbils separated on the left and flowers on the right. In the last pic you can see tiny seeds that I separated from the flowers. I put them on a paper plate last night to dry. I'll post a pic from my phone.
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Oops I didn't see that.
Someone who knows more should be along soon.
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Not sure how clear this is. The seeds are tiny


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The second and fifth pics are a different type of garlic, that just had bulbils no flowers.
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At what point did you remove the bulbils from the flowers? I've never seen seeds so can't say if that's what they are, but I remember reading in the recent thread about true Garlic seed that the flowers needed to be "de-bulbiled" and only then would the seeds (possibly) form.
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these seem to have bloomed/flowered without removing the bulbils first. I just stuck them in a bucket of water on the porch for a couple weeks and let them do their thing. Only one type of garlic did this.
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In post #5 , most of it doesn't look like true garlic seed, to me. There are a few large specks in that pic (near the top) that look somewhat like the real shape, the rest don't. True garlic seed should look like onion seed in shape. An internet search for "true garlic seed pictures" would likely help you, more.
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check out this site - some good info

http://garlicseed.blogspot.ca/p/grow...true-seed.html
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PNW_D:

Great article - thanks.

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Most the time if the bulbils are not removed the bulbils will squeeze out the flowers. The plant will also abort the flowers in favor of bulbil development. That's why removing the bulbils is most likely necessary. True seed also takes a while to develop. After removing the bulbils the seed heads will start to swell around August(at least here in MO). Then they stay green and growing for a month or more. In September they start to dry which takes a long time. I like to put them in a paper bag and forget about them until around November when most of the seed heads have released the seed on there own. That's when I start to process it. The seeds look just like onion seeds but a bit smaller. Very rough shaped but still roundish. There tends to be be a lot bits with the chaff. I think it under developed seeds but I'm not sure. Also I last year was the first year that I tried the cut scape method. I left the scapes on the plants until late July after they had been pollinated and started swelling. I put them in water for about a month and then let them dry for a about a week before I put them in a bag. If the scapes are cut a put into water sooner it might speed up the process. I can only speak about what I have experienced.
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Flower head after bulbil removal 16'

After bulbil removal 15'

Swelling flower heads right after being cut 16'

True seed from 16'

Better pic of what seed looks like. This is from 15'


Hopefully it is true seed. Herd to tell form the picture. Your garlic seems to have a ton of flowers which is good and they are purple which is a great sign that it is fertile. What variety is it? I've had the best luck with chesnok red.


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I looked at the photos again and I looks like it's the flower anthers. At least that's my guess.


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Here are agave seeds they look like garlic and onion seeds but bigger.
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In post #5 , most of it doesn't look like true garlic seed, to me. There are a few large specks in that pic (near the top) that look somewhat like the real shape, the rest don't. True garlic seed should look like onion seed in shape. An internet search for "true garlic seed pictures" would likely help you, more.
I was thinking they should look like onion seed also. I think I need to let the flowers mature more, then see what the seeds look like. Most of Seed collected looks like specks of dust when dry.
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