Jack Cider (Golden Brandywine)

[amideutch]

Can anybody tell me about this variety. Only info I could find on the web was a site in the U.K. where I purchased the seeds and another in New Zealand also a seed vendor. Thanks, Ami

[moulman]

Yikes!

Not another so-called Brandywine.......sheesh....

[nctomatoman]

Sounds like someone renamed Summer Cider...and Summer Cider appears to be suspiciously similar to Yellow Brandywine!

[carolyn137]

Ami, I know exactly what you're talking about as in Golden Brandywine, also seen in England and elsewhere over there as Apricot Brandywine, and from those folks who have grown both of them my memory says that what you've got is creative naming and it's just plain ole Yellow Brandywine, best I know.

I've been sitting here trying to remember the name of the UK firm where I first saw the Apricot one listed but just can't remember.

[sirtanon]

Carolyn.. I have seen BOTH on Ebay - and have found myself disgusted each time.

.... and here's another one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rose-Brandywine-...QQcmdZViewItem

[carolyn137]

Eric, I absolutely refuse to even click on anything that takes me to e-bay.

As we all know, from some long forgotten radio/TV show, the names have been changed to protect the innocent.

isn't that how it goes?

I absolutely hate this renaming and changing of names so that it looks like there's a new variety out there and it's happening more and more. And quite frankly, CA leads the way in this regard along with several European sites as well as a few US sites whose names I won't mention.

[michael johnson]

It is a popular plant in the UK, and is sold mainly by (www.plantsofdistinction.co.uk and gives a little info about its history, and if I remember rightly it is not derived fom a brandywine type even though it is billed as a brandywine shape and originated somewhere in the region of sweden or skandinavia or belgium .

This firm is a very good supplier and I have dealt with them on many occassions.
They dont send out any seed each year before about the second week in january each new season. average turn around- about ten to fifteen days. all posted in bubble pack envelopes.

[tomatoaddict]

I am just wondering if it was every clarified that this is a re-named variety. I also detest re-naming. I received seed for Brandywine apricot and it sounds like this thread is talking about one and the same. If it is the same as yellow Brandywine I just want it correct in my records. Don't want to have it listed as a different variety.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by tomatoaddict

I am just wondering if it was every clarified that this is a re-named variety. I also detest re-naming. I received seed for Brandywine apricot and it sounds like this thread is talking about one and the same. If it is the same as yellow Brandywine I just want it correct in my records. Don't want to have it listed as a different variety.

Terry - Summer Cider does not seem to be the same for me as Yellow Brandywine. More productive, different flavor profile, more uniform fruits. I like it, and think it has good to very good flavor, but it's no YB for taste, IMO.

I don't know what to tell you about Brandywine Apricot, now, that might be a renaming (of something). Haven't grown it, and have no plans to do so.

[tomatoaddict]

well, the one I have isn't summer cider I don't think. It is labeled Apricot Brandywine. That is not the same as Summer Cider is it?
I am getting so confused.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by tomatoaddict

well, the one I have isn't summer cider I don't think. It is labeled Apricot Brandywine. That is not the same as Summer Cider is it?
I am getting so confused.

I get the impression that Apricot Brandywine is either a renaming of Summer Cider (my guess is this one, given the European connection some have referenced earlier in the thread), or possibly Yellow Brandywine.

The reason I say that is Summer Cider was supposedly bred over in Europe. Further complicating the situation is SC *might* possibly be the same or similar to a Tom Wagner variety. The name of Tom's variety escapes me at the moment, will post back if I recall the name.

Edited to add - Apple Butter or Panorama Sunset were the ones I was thinking of. I think Tom plans to grow SC next year for comparison purposes.

[tomatoaddict]

This is the part of heirlooms that I hate. The confusion that exists sometimes on a variety. I know it cannot be escaped but I try very hard to keep the integrity of a variety in my records so that I do not become an un-willing participant in falsehoods. I clicked on the link that Michael had for the vendor in the U.K. and I don't know what they had listed before but now they only have one for Yellow Brandywine.

[feldon30]

All I know is Summer Cider is my favorite yellow beefsteak.

[peispud]

tomatoaddict if you got Apricot Brandywine from me or from someone I gave it to, it is Apricot Brandywine. O/S from Unwins in U.K. seed I bought back in 2004.
It doesn't matter how many old american women swear it's renamed yellow brandywine, it isn't. It is APRICOT in color not gold, yellow or golden. Great unique taste and great production.

peispud

[carolyn137]

It doesn't matter how many old american women swear it's renamed yellow brandywine, it isn't. It is APRICOT in color not gold, yellow or golden. Great unique taste and great production.

*****

Yes, I'm old.

Yes, I'm American.

Yes, I'm a woman.

No, I don't especially like being characterized in this manner.

And it isn't just me who feels that Apricot Brandywine is aka Yellow Brandywine based on some growing it, I haven't, and also based on looking at pictures.

To each their own, as is oft said.

It might be useful for someone to contact Unwins and ask about the specifics of the genetic background of Apricot Brandywine to the extent that they would divulge that. I also find it interesting that while this variety has been available for at least for 5 years, well I remember the discussions when it first appeared at Unwins, there has not, to my memory, been an SSE listing for it to date.