Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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December 1, 2017 | #16 |
Tomatovillian™
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Thank you, Salt, although my must-try list is too long already. I've read good things about Porter; it's in the spreadsheet. Haven't noticed any plants struggling with the heat here (yet), but the good shelf life, shade & drought tolerance are attractive.
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December 2, 2017 | #17 | |
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Carmello and Sioux are not determinate in my experience
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December 6, 2017 | #18 |
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I've been wondering the same thing as you, Nan!
My requirements are a short bush plant to grow on my front yard, plus I'd like it to produce for as long as possible. I've grown Bush Champion for two or three years, and it's supposed to be a determinate. It has produced for me all season - from early August till hard frost - early to mid October. It has fulfilled my requirements. But the taste is, well, not that good. I'm looking for other varieties, but have run into the same problem as you in that it's not clear whether they produce once only or all season. I was thinking of trying Rosella Purple. Anybody with experience growing this? |
December 6, 2017 | #19 | |
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I would suggest almost any of the dwarf varieties from the Dwarf Project for a plant that would fit your needs. I grow Rosella Purple every year because the flavor is usually outstanding, though production may not be huge. Production is ok, just not overwhelming, but that flavor makes it well worth my garden space. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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December 6, 2017 | #20 | |
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Farmer Shawn, do you know if all of the dwarfs in the Dwarf Project are long-bearing?
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December 6, 2017 | #21 |
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Thanks Nan for posting the question. I too have the same question.
My Roma and San Marano came into bearing at the same time, after a long rainy spring became a 2 m drought, and the massive number of fruit pulled over every staked plant. As I remember Roma is det and San m is indeter. Harvested both at the same time , for same length of time. I would grow both, but will limit myself to the first packet I find. Last edited by Black Krim; December 6, 2017 at 05:30 PM. Reason: Spelling, still i ncorrect |
December 6, 2017 | #22 |
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So both Roma and SM are long-bearing? I'll update my list.
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December 6, 2017 | #23 |
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the determinates I've grown produce a 2nd harvest, and in some cases a 3rd. If you feed them aggressively it helps to increase the size of the second wave, you can also ignore size and dry farm the 2nd wave. Helps to improve the flavor on those marginal ones
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December 6, 2017 | #24 |
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Wow, Gerardo, that's another confounding variable. BTW, does anyone know how New Big Dwarf produces? Is it a constant production or flush after flush?
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December 6, 2017 | #25 |
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Gerardo, the same happens here. The best example I have is Bradley. On some sites it is called a Determinate, and other sites call it Semi-Determinate. It grew and produced as you would expect a Semi-DET variety to produce. We were very happy with the taste, but the shelf life was but a few days.
Nan, from my experience, Campari F2 have a very long shelf life. Japanese Pink Cherry also does. Carolyn told me that Japanese Pink Cherry used to be a hybrid. Neither are Determinates, but both produce a lot of tomatoes, and have an even longer shelf life than the Porters I offered seeds for earlier in this thread. I could easily see the Campari F2s being used as a mild sauce or salsa tomato. The Japanese Pink Cherry is like most Pink tomatoes - eat um while you got um. I guess you can tell that my favorite tomatoes are Pink When Ripe. |
December 6, 2017 | #26 | |
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December 6, 2017 | #27 |
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Sorry, I got interrupted in r/l on that last post.
I have wondered about New Big Dwarf too. I couldn't grow it myself due to the soil diseases. Did you know that New Big Dwarf comes from the early 1900s? |
December 7, 2017 | #28 |
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New big dwarf is a dwarf indeterminate. A large dwarf plant about 4 feet tall. I found it great tasting, late mid season. An ancestor of many of the dwarf project tomatoes.
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December 7, 2017 | #29 |
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Nan, the dwarf project dwarfs, like most indeterminate, have some early varieties,
mid season, and late. My limited experience, once they get going, continue rather steady. dPinkPassion was very early, one of the first, but succumbed to some disease. dArticRose was not far behind and did well most of the season yet best production was early.. dTennSuited and dKangarooPawBrown, both excellent in flavor, were both mid-late and steady producers once the heat let up late August. dArticRose is a cross between 'Budai Torpe' and 'Black from Tula', listed as a true determinate. You could probably find pics and development discussions doing a search in the 'Grumpy' archives. 2010 maybe? I also grew two dozen dwarf hunt, F2's, and F3's. What I like about the dwarfs is the size. More variety tomatoes in such a small footprint. Self pruning, not bushy. (except for dArticRose...semi-bushy) A 25ft run a foot apart in one and 2 gal grow bags. I should note, on my deck, single row, I had great airflow. I intentionally wanted more variety over big production. 2018 I will scale back quantity, larger pots, and concentrate on a few but more of each variety. 6-8 Metallica, maybe 2-3 each of the others with great flavor. Victory Seed supply has a good listing of dwarfs and good descriptions. Easy to navigate. All in one place. |
December 7, 2017 | #30 |
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Not sure why there's a confusion. All determinates produce fairly concentrated crops, it's just some of them (most) will produce another concentrated crop later (and another one if your season is long enough).
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