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Old December 3, 2013   #61
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Joyce,

I am sorry, the only information I know about Muchamiel is listed here (I know, this is not a lot, but that's all I have at this time) - http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Muchamiel

As this is not a Czech variety, I would doubt there is lots of info about it in the Czech seed bank.

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EDITED TO ADD: Fred created a new thread (http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=30444) to address the question about Muchamiel. Thank you Fred!
Thanks Tania

I will be starting them in the green house next week. I plan on sending soom of the seeds to Carolyn next year.
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Thanks Tania

I will be starting them in the green house next week. I plan on sending soom of the seeds to Carolyn next year.
Joyce, you know I've already grow it and I know you said for my seed offer, but it's just not one that I'd like to put in my seed offer after growing it and tasting it.

But thanks for the offer.

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I remembered a thread here at Tville, and found it, which discusses the possible differences between Moravsky Div and the various Stupikes, and the parents of the Stupikes is given and so much more.

For those interested in Stupike (s) I think it's a must read. Vladimir, you posted as did Tania, and there was much information about Stupikes posted by a person with the user name of Digging Dog that I thought was both new and great.

http://tomatoville.com/showthread.ph...ravsky+history

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Carolyn,
thank you for your bequeathal on tis thread:
Moravsky div
I saw Moravsky div never, but I think, that Moravsky div = Stupické sklenikové. Why?
1.The name Moravsky div was translated from russian name Моравское чудо
(translated by Andrey according to lexikon). Czech person would be translated
Moravský zázrak never (minimum for wrong diction of word „div“).
2.The answer to Digging dog farm „Dear Martin,yes it is simmilar variety.“-
Moravoseed.
This shows, that Moravoseed carries simmilar variety (Stupické skleníkové ?) to
Belarus and Russia and Moravoseed agrees with marketing name Моравское
чудо.
Moravoseed cannot carry such seeds in EU for example in Estonia.
Moravoseed has only two varieties of Stupices (Stupické polní rané and
Stupické skleníkové). I disbelieve that Moravoseed cultivated some new variety
only for Russian market ( besides EU).
3.Why new name? Tomato „Stupické skleníkové“ would not be so buyable as
„Моравское чудо“ in Belarus and Russia. It is the same as „Stupice“ and
„Stupické polní rané“ in USA.
4.Why this market?
One packet (60 seeds) of „Stupické skleníkové“ in Czech republic…11,-Kč= 0,6
US dollar
One packet „Моравское чудо“ in Russian 3600 roubles = 60,- Kč
It is very good market.

In 2014 y. I shall plant Stupické polní rané, Stupické skleníkové, Stupice and Moravský div and I shall see the contrasts or the deuces. Than I can write to Moravoseed to my contact Mr Růžička manager of commerce.
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Vladimir,

Thank you for posting your thoughts about Moravsky Div. I also have some suspicions about Moravsky Div similarity to Stupice.

Also, I will not be surprised about name change by Russian seed vendors. They like 'catchy' names, and „Моравское чудо“ is a catchy name in Russia, much more marketable than 'Stupice' or 'Stupicke'. There it is all about marketing (and profits), not about historical accuracy or proper attribution.

I can do a long rant about variety names changes in Russia (some may say 'creative translations'), but this is a separate topic. We are guilty about the same here, but not to that extend as in Russia. (I hope! )

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I think this was already discussed somewhere, but this is the link to a Russian website that clearly states that Моравское чудо = Stupice

http://semenaopt.com/%D0%A2%D0%BE%D0...D0%BE)/600664/

I know some folks mentioned seeing some differences between their Stupice and Movarsky Div, but this can also be attributed to a) different Stupice strains (i.e. Stupice vs. Stupické skleníkové, as an example), b) wrong seeds (always a possibility)

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Old December 12, 2013   #66
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I shall cultivate in 2014
Czech OP comercial tomatoes (I have the seeds now):
Sláva Porýní
Stupické polní rané
Stupické skleníkové
Zlatava
Perun
Herodes
Radana
Albertovské žluté
Citrina
Pavlína

Czech tomatoes from USA (I have ordered and paid seeds):
Moravský div
Stupice

The old and heirloom czech tomatoes (I have ordered and paid seeds-I get them about 15.3.2014). Some tomatoes are declarable as tomatoes from Czech genicbank ???
Moravský granát
Leščukovo oranžové
Roubíčkovo pupíkaté
Seelandia (not czech)
Pražské dlouhé
Ostravské rané
Hanácké nejranější
Vaňkovo hroznovité
Slivovité červené
Žlutá kytice

Four new OP cherry tomatoes (present not authorized-they will carried in January 2014):
Bibi
Valdo
Mini
Datlo

All in all about fifty plants.
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Vladimir,

I am so looking forward to seeing the result of your project!
I also plan to grow both Stupickes, and local Stupice strain, will repeat Moravsky Div for comparison. Will likely add Sláva Porýní and Radana.

I already grew Žlutá kytice, it is a very interesting tomato.

The others from your 2nd list I am not familiar with.

All the best to you with your growouts in 2014!

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Vladimir,

I am so looking forward to seeing the result of your project!
I also plan to grow both Stupickes, and local Stupice strain, will repeat Moravsky Div for comparison. Will likely add Sláva Porýní and Radana.

I already grew Žlutá kytice, it is a very interesting tomato.

The others from your 2nd list I am not familiar with.

All the best to you with your growouts in 2014!

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Tania, I wrote you, that Radana (which I posted you) is wrong seed. I shall post you new.
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Hi Vladimir,

Please do not worry about Radana seed, I have seeds from a different source (CV Nohel Garden 2010)


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Hi Vladimir,

Please do not worry about Radana seed, I have seeds from a different source (CV Nohel Garden 2010)


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Old January 20, 2014   #71
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I sowed these seeds of tomatoes on Saturday:
Stupice, Moravský div, Stupické polní rané and Stupické skleníkové on Saturday. I shall be to grow them in 2 galons containers on the balcony. These varieties for the garden I shall be to sow later.
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Old January 20, 2014   #72
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4.Why this market?
One packet (60 seeds) of „Stupické skleníkové“ in Czech republic…11,-Kč= 0,6
US dollar
One packet „Моравское чудо“ in Russian 3600 roubles = 60,- Kč
It is very good market.
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Vladimir,
your currency exchange rate is a bit incorrect.

The price of one packet (30 seeds) of Моравское чудо in Russia is about 10 Russian Roubles = 0.3 USD. 3600 is the price in Belarusian Roubles for 30 seeds (0.1 g) = 0.38 USD
This variety is among most popular and widely distributed so it costs quite the same as in Czech Republic as I can see if we compare the same amount of seeds in a packet
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On the first picture are Stupices from the left to the right: Stupice, Moravský Div, Stupické polní rané and Stupické skleníkové. They are the same by that time. I shall plant in these plants to the five litres (1,3 gal.US ?) buckets. On the second picture is our window in the bedroom (north- eastern).
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Such a wonderful sight of happy tomato babies!
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I am really interested to see any differences you will find in the fruit between the Stupice/Moravsky varieties. Looking good! I am still two weeks from sowing tomato seeds, though I am about to sow peppers any day now.
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