Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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January 1, 2018 | #1 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Long island
Posts: 456
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Starting an urban rooftop garden
Hello
I want to start a container garden on the roof of my restaurant. Looking for some information on types of containers and medium. Considering growing greens, specialty cherry and cocktail tomatoes. I am in zone 7 Brooklyn New York Old chef |
January 1, 2018 | #2 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Alberta, Canada (Zone 3a)
Posts: 87
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Seems like a lot of people have found the 'EarthTainer' to be a useful setup.
Here's a brief overview: https://earthtainer.tomatofest.com And here's how to build one: https://earthtainer.tomatofest.com/p...tion-Guide.pdf |
January 1, 2018 | #3 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: OH 6a
Posts: 592
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Depends on how much you are looking to grow. If just a few things, trywine barrels with wheeled coasters and mulched with pine barks.
If you want big production, you may want to grow in rows with drip irrigation. Something like this perhaps: http://tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=44394 If you want low cost start up, I think fabric grow bags are a great idea, personally I'm going to switch to primarily grow bags for containers. For even cheaper, you can use disposable plastic grow bags. I really like my new Earthbox too, so that's another option if you have lots of money to spare. Or you can try other cheaper wicking container solution like mentioned above. Though Earthbox is supposed to last very long. For mix, I do 75% Ecoscraps potting mix and 25% compost in plastic containers, but in grow bags because of better drainage and faster drying, I do 50/50. If you use a peat moss heaving potting mix you have to make sure of the pH and use dolomite lime to adjust. Personally, I avoid peat moss dominant potting mix which tend to be too water retentive and acidic. I do like potting mix with coconut coir, but it have to be dark colored coir. Never use fresh coconut coir (those blocks that expands), the only thing it does is tie up all nutrients, stunt the plants, and add pocket space for ants to make nests. ProMix is another potting mix to consider. For fertilizer, personally I mix in slow release fertilizer thoroughly, instead of top dressing, I only use synthetic water fertilizer to fix deficiencies. So far, I find grow bags have less problem with nutrient uptakes compared to plastic containers. Last edited by maxjohnson; January 1, 2018 at 03:23 PM. |
January 1, 2018 | #4 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Illinois, zone 6
Posts: 8,407
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I think compact varieties are the way to go when space is limited. I like Maglia Rosa and Terrenzo F1 as compact determinate cherries. Cole is a very good medium red slicer, also a compact determinate. I also like Sol Guld as a medium yellow. All of these varieties would do fine in 5-7 gallon containers, I think. Traditional indeterminates like Big Beef would prefer a container twice that size, unless you are going to constantly fertigate with drip.
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January 1, 2018 | #5 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Den of Drunken Fools
Posts: 38,539
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My no drain holes tubs/sight tube for water level contraption worked flawlessly last summer.
It is very water conserving too. |
January 1, 2018 | #6 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Omaha Zone 5
Posts: 2,514
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Do you have a water source up there? That would be a project getting water up to a roof.
I lived in Brooklyn until I was 5, then moved to a high rise in the Yorkville area of Manhattan till my 20's. Then Boston, a few different stops around the country and I'm in Omaha now. What I remember vividly about my NYC tenure is the pigeons. I would plan for some type of cloth to shelter the greens from "dive bombs". Don't know of they peck but I remember them very well, even on a rooftop. - Lisa |
January 1, 2018 | #7 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 1,051
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Gerardo has a very long thread on his rooftop garden which is very informational. I have been growing vegetables, mostly dwarf project tomatoes and peppers, on the rooftop gutter garden at my church for several years. It is very productive and low maintainance, once constructed. For the tomatoes I use 5 gallon pails and for the peppers something smaller. I added grow bags this year for sweet potatoes, and that worked well also. I also harvest rain water for use in the gutters, but am also hooked up to municipal water for dry spells. I only get up there weekly or less, and the rest of the time it is on its own.
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January 2, 2018 | #8 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: NewYork 5a
Posts: 2,303
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I'm sure you have come across the milk crate system used all over
the city. Can't find the pic but a real beauty garden just across from the UN. Easy to move around, two crates tall. Bottom crate empty for a bit of height. Easy to harvest. Planting crate lined with landscape fabric. When I lived in the city I had just 8, 16 crates. Small back deck that needed moving as the sun changed during the season. Could not use the roof as the landlord hated rooftop 'lounging' and festivities. Weight is an issue with most rooftop containers. If you own the building, no issues. The crates can sit on rubber matting if the rooftop membrane is tar/gravel. Lot of options but flexible/moveable, easy up and down stairs... This is Riverbank... |
January 3, 2018 | #9 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 1,051
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That is such an amazing looking garden. I wonder how it is watered. If it is not automated somehow, it might be pretty time consuming. I love seeing gardens in urban settings like that.
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January 4, 2018 | #10 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Long island
Posts: 456
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Thank you all for the suggestions. I love the milk crate garden. I can collect the crates from now.
I’ll send pictures. For today. I’ll deal with the snow Old chef |
January 4, 2018 | #11 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: NewYork 5a
Posts: 2,303
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Nasty storm. Prepping for a power outage. Up 3am and baked a
Forkish 'pinch' boule. Lots of soup choices in the freezer for a quick dinner. The wind is brutal. I used landscape fabric to line the crates. Some square felt grow bags easily found for cheap fit. Less than two bucks each. I got mine online...greenhouseMegaStore...and Amazon. Bottom crate empty. No bending over, The crate garden across from the UnitedNations is on an upper terrace. They even grow corn. Impressive. |
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