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Old 1 Week Ago   #91
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Those holes suggest some sort of insect damage, like garlic maggot, so the problem may be more than wet weather.
Good point - I didn't see any culprits but on your reminder cleaned those up a bit better to make sure no small felon was burrowing inside. To my mind it is obvious insect damage and I always have some - mainly blamed on wireworms, but there was that mystery maggot on the plant I pulled earlier - much too large to be onion maggot though, and not like pics of it online, but no friend of the garlic whatever it was.

So most of those dark holes turned out to be shallow and nobody home. The worst of all, which I couldn't tell, I removed the clove from its bulb and stripped the final clove wrapper, which was damaged and dark spot. Nobody home and the clove inside perfect and unblemished. Gotta love those thick waxy clove wraps. Will be for supper.
The key factor for the 'pink splitting' condition seems to be a serious soaking that gets through multiple wrappers. In the case of the insect damage, it would have provided a pore for moisture to get in and cause the same, soaking, bloating of the tissues, splitting of the affected layers. But the insects - maybe some random beetle grubs? seem to have chowed and moved on.
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I'd so much love to grow garlic when I grow up ;-) The few I grew this year ended up small. Will try in earnest next year.

Enjoying this thread very much. I wonder what are some of the more interesting ways that people here eat garlic, especially raw (uncooked) which does more justice to the full flavor of this wonder.

Here's one of my favorite, it's a must have alongside grilled (a bit charred) chicken in middle eastern cuisine. Can be done with one of two bases: either labne (strained yogurt) or soft mashed potatoes.

Basically mash a few cloves of garlic very fine, then blend with 1 cup labne (or mashed spuds), oil and bit of salt, in a food processor until homogenized and fluffy light. It tastes heavenly by itself, on bread and of course grilled meats.

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Taboule, that sounds delicious. Om nom nom. I like to use a rasp for garlic, so it runs.
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Well I couldn't wait the whole week. Good excuses, hectic work schedule coming up, etc. They could have gone more than a week but... since it's just for home use, they are fine by me. They were on a tighter spacing this time and all the rain had to wash some nutrients out, so maybe they would never be the biggest I grew. A few more pink stained and split wrapper bulbs, but not many. Lots of small bites though, and I did find a culprit - no surprise, a wireworm tangled up in the roots of one. Very little sign of mites this year - I always look for rusty bits around the roots, but many of them are clean this time which is nice.


Now here is something interesting - these three porcelains, last year I could barely tell one from the other. The differences they seemed to have initially have faded and I wondered if every porcelain would converge on the same size, clove number, etc in one environment. But this year with the wild wet winter and spring has proven otherwise.
PH you mentioned that your Music usually have 6 cloves - ours have always had 4. The one I got from the farm "Argentina" came to us from NS, and it was a very large bulb with usually 6 cloves, however they've been 4 cloves on average since their second year here.

Well this year the Argentina reverted to its true type, with a majority of bulbs having 5,6 or even 7 cloves, and just a few 4's. The Music is true to itself, nearly all 4's with a few 5's.
Bonavista was about even between 4 and 6. It had more dwarfing than the others and more pink - but this might be caused by its position in the bed.
Either way it seems that there is a difference among the porcelain varieties, that may cause them to react differently to environmental stresses. That is kind of cool to know, and makes it worthwhile for me to grow more than one kind.
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Bower, Those look beautifully pristine!
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Thanks. I really enjoy taking them down to a clean wrapper. It's therapeutic at my scale, I mean I enjoyed taking a moment to pamper these puppies and makin em nice. But they actually are far from pristine - quite a few have small bites that go through this wrapper and maybe the next. Might affect the keeping, but I think they're good enough to do for awhile. It's all triage, right?
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Good job, Bower! Those sure are pretty.
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Looks like a solid crop with nice cloves.
My garlic this year was a failure, small bulbs with even smaller cloves. The fault is with the (fairly expensive) company called Kiepenkerl which sold virused planting garlic. They say you need at least 2 or three viruses simultaneously to have such visible symptoms as I did. Very disappointing. By the time the symptoms appeared it was too late even for spring garlic. And now I can't use my shallots next year either, since there's a big risk it also got infected.
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Zipcode I'm sorry to hear that! What are the viruses that affect garlic in your area? How do they spread to your shallots?



I have looked at all the pics online about different allium viruses. I have seen that some garlic dries down streaky, and looks like some of those pics. I was worried about this when I first started to grow garlic, but I've never seen those "symptoms" spread from one type to another in the field. I heard it was spread by aphids but I've never seen aphids on alliums here. I have every kind of insect in my garden here, as we never used pesticide ever. I've seen plant hopper bugs on the garlic, and 'spit bugs' that are always hidden in a bit of foam (really a lot of them this year), and even a moth or two on the garlic might have chewed something, small flies perhaps... but I never see a sign of disease transmission. Please tell me more.
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I'm sorry to hear you had such a bad year zipcode. Is that problem with viruses going to carry over next year in the environment?
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