Saving seeds - techniques - Page 2

Cole_Robbie · July 30, 2016

I have left seeds in Oxy Clean overnight, and they were fine.

If you're really concerned about your seeds carrying disease, a hot water bath with an immersion cooker is the way to go, regardless of whether you ferment or oxidize off the gel coat.

BlackBear · July 30, 2016

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Originally Posted by Cole_Robbie

I have left seeds in Oxy Clean overnight, and they were fine.

If you're really concerned about your seeds carrying disease, a hot water bath with an immersion cooker is the way to go, regardless of whether you ferment or oxidize off the gel coat.

I like the idea of extended chemical treatment ....to have a slightly better chance to make sure all pathogens that can be killed by chemical treatment in fact are...wether the extension of treatment makes a real difference I am not sure .....

but I like the sounds of 120 minute treatment with Oxy clean . I know this holds up production but ...it seems more of a sure effort if for some reason 45 minutes does not do it .

Aerial · July 30, 2016

One part Clorox to four parts water (for example, 1 cup Clorox to 4 cups water), as described here:

http://www.gardenguides.com/100338-s...ds-clorox.html

BlackBear · July 31, 2016

So as Chlorox bleach is mainly sodium hypochlorite

and Oxi clean is mainly Sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate is a granular substance made by combining sodium carbonate and hydrogen peroxide. ........ plain old hydrogen peroxide is the active ingredient in OxiClean.

does anyone know if there are some possible pathogens that are tougher to kill on the outside

with "The bleach " method vs. "The Peroxide" method .........

or is dead/ sterile ....really really sterile ....Sincerely dead...with either method ?

Both are of equal spectrum ...for treatment of pathogens on "outside " of seeds.???

Hntrss · August 8, 2016

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Originally Posted by heirloomtomaguy

I use a combo of hydrogen peroxide and baking soda works great in under an hour. Or i do like Container Ted and ferment in closed canning jars. Takes the stank and fruit fly's right out of the equation.

Thank you , I have been using your method with 100% germination and its is fast and easy. An hour or two and they are ready to dry!!

ilex · August 9, 2016

I ferment in zip bags. Less space, no smell.

For untreated seed, I do a diluted bleach bath before planting. If they are really rare, there's no option other than planting. I won't let a variety dissapear because seed is untreated.

As for other methods I've seen saving a tomato and planting that same whole tomato without taking seeds out.

bower · August 9, 2016

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Originally Posted by ilex

I ferment in zip bags. Less space, no smell.

For untreated seed, I do a diluted bleach bath before planting. If they are really rare, there's no option other than planting. I won't let a variety dissapear because seed is untreated.

As for other methods I've seen saving a tomato and planting that same whole tomato without taking seeds out.

Ilex when you ferment in zip bags, do you leave air in or squeeze it out? Thanks.

ilex · August 9, 2016

Plenty of air, just put juice in and close it.

**carolyn137** · August 9, 2016

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Originally Posted by ilex

Plenty of air, just put juice in and close it.

So you have to wait until the O2 is used up before you see the start of fermentation since the latter is an anaerobic process.

Yes?

Carolyn

ilex · August 9, 2016

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

So you have to wait until the O2 is used up before you see the start of fermentation since the latter is an anaerobic process.

Yes?

Carolyn

Well, you know I'm slow, so they have plenty of time to use everything.

clkingtx · August 9, 2016

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Originally Posted by heirloomtomaguy

I use a combo of hydrogen peroxide and baking soda works great in under an hour. Or i do like Container Ted and ferment in closed canning jars. Takes the stank and fruit fly's right out of the equation.

I just used your method to clean my seeds, and WOW! it works great!

heirloomtomaguy · August 9, 2016

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Originally Posted by clkingtx

I just used your method to clean my seeds, and WOW! it works great!

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Originally Posted by Hntrss

Thank you , I have been using your method with 100% germination and its is fast and easy. An hour or two and they are ready to dry!!

Glad to see its working for yall so well.

**carolyn137** · August 10, 2016

Well, you know I'm slow, so they have plenty of time to use everything.

... said Ilex

Yes,slow about some things, and I had to laugh about that,

and I'll be sending you an em about that, but ASAP when it comes to helping folks here at Tville by answering questions and clarifying issues with Spanish tomatoes.

Carolyn

Kazedwards · August 18, 2016

Few question about seed saving.

First can you ferment seeds too long?

Also my containers don't get a thick mat in the top. Does that mean I'm not doing it right? Most the time I don't add water and it's all juice. It will get a clear thin film but not a white mat.

-Zach

joseph · August 18, 2016

Drop a tomato in the forest. It's going to spend months fermenting. Eventually the seeds will germinate.

July 31, 2016	#19
BlackBear Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2015 Location: Nanaimo , BC Posts: 961	So as Chlorox bleach is mainly sodium hypochlorite and Oxi clean is mainly Sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate is a granular substance made by combining sodium carbonate and hydrogen peroxide. ........ plain old hydrogen peroxide is the active ingredient in OxiClean. does anyone know if there are some possible pathogens that are tougher to kill on the outside with "The bleach " method vs. "The Peroxide" method ......... or is dead/ sterile ....really really sterile ....Sincerely dead...with either method ? Both are of equal spectrum ...for treatment of pathogens on "outside " of seeds.??? __________________ So Many Tomatoes ...So Little Time !

August 10, 2016	#28
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Well, you know I'm slow, so they have plenty of time to use everything. ... said Ilex Yes,slow about some things, and I had to laugh about that, and I'll be sending you an em about that, but ASAP when it comes to helping folks here at Tville by answering questions and clarifying issues with Spanish tomatoes. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

August 18, 2016	#29
Kazedwards Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 368	Few question about seed saving. First can you ferment seeds too long? Also my containers don't get a thick mat in the top. Does that mean I'm not doing it right? Most the time I don't add water and it's all juice. It will get a clear thin film but not a white mat. -Zach __________________ -Zach

July 30, 2016	#16
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	I have left seeds in Oxy Clean overnight, and they were fine. If you're really concerned about your seeds carrying disease, a hot water bath with an immersion cooker is the way to go, regardless of whether you ferment or oxidize off the gel coat.

July 30, 2016	#18
Aerial Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: CA Posts: 410	One part Clorox to four parts water (for example, 1 cup Clorox to 4 cups water), as described here: http://www.gardenguides.com/100338-s...ds-clorox.html

August 9, 2016	#21
ilex Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Spain Posts: 416	I ferment in zip bags. Less space, no smell. For untreated seed, I do a diluted bleach bath before planting. If they are really rare, there's no option other than planting. I won't let a variety dissapear because seed is untreated. As for other methods I've seen saving a tomato and planting that same whole tomato without taking seeds out.

August 18, 2016	#30
joseph Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2013 Location: Cache Valley, N/E of The Great Salt Lake Posts: 1,244	Drop a tomato in the forest. It's going to spend months fermenting. Eventually the seeds will germinate.