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Old June 3, 2017   #46
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Salt and I are thinking more on the lines of road side free bathtubs.
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Old June 3, 2017   #47
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I found a site for EarthBox https://www.amazon.com/EarthBox-RB-E...9784480&sr=8-1

A sight that shows info and pictures of EarthTainer https://earthtainer.tomatofest.com/ but I haven't found one for sale. I'm guessing they would cost about the same?

I can't afford to spend that much - unless I quit eating

About Grafting - I was wondering if I could buy any variety that has FFF,N in it - or are there certain varieties better than others? I'll use these as examples:

Amelia VR Hybrid VFFFNTSt Packet (10 Seeds)
Dixie Red VFFFNAStTswv Hybrid Packet (10 seeds)
Mountain Merit Hybrid VFFFNTswvEbLb Packet (10 seeds)

Those are at the Seeds N Such site.

I forgot to add, after over 3" of rain, there is another plant wilting due to the Fusarium. That answers one question I had -
No, you can't foliar feed and water a plant infected with Fusarium.

I tried about a half dozen FFF hybrids as root stock and the results were not good. I got very low production and fruit set while the ones with the root stock specific seeds did wonderfully. I also did an experiment with Big Beef and if you don't need FFF protection then the FF Big Beef works really well as a root stock. Big Beef did very little in affecting the scions growth and production but did give FF protection but for me that isn't enough. I had the same idea you did but found the results weren't nearly as good as I hoped and in fact were quite disappointing. There were a few combinations that worked alright but for the most part the scions did not thrive and produce like they should when grafted onto those FFF hybrids. Even when using root stock specific seeds for grafting you will occasionally find a few combinations that do not work well together. The RST-04-106-T root stock has given me the highest percentage of good performing grafts of all that I have tried and with the added benefit of FFF, RKN and BW tolerance.

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Old June 3, 2017   #48
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Road side free bathtubs.

Rockporter, I see you are in heat zone 9 too. Storage Tubs don't last long here either.
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Robert, those are almost double what EB sells them for. They sell 3 kits for $29.99 each.I don't need the stupid casters and I buy my own fertilizers and dolomite. All I reallyneed is the box, screen fill tube and cover.
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I found a site for EarthBox https://www.amazon.com/EarthBox-RB-E...9784480&sr=8-1

A sight that shows info and pictures of EarthTainer https://earthtainer.tomatofest.com/ but I haven't found one for sale. I'm guessing they would cost about the same?

I can't afford to spend that much - unless I quit eating

About Grafting - I was wondering if I could buy any variety that has FFF,N in it - or are there certain varieties better than others? I'll use these as examples:

Amelia VR Hybrid VFFFNTSt Packet (10 Seeds)
Dixie Red VFFFNAStTswv Hybrid Packet (10 seeds)
Mountain Merit Hybrid VFFFNTswvEbLb Packet (10 seeds)

Those are at the Seeds N Such site.

I forgot to add, after over 3" of rain, there is another plant wilting due to the Fusarium. That answers one question I had -
No, you can't foliar feed and water a plant infected with Fusarium.
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https://earthbox.com/earthbox-system...rdening-system

Here's TGS rootstock seeds, 20 for $9, resistant to bacterial wilt, 3 races fusarium, and nematodes.
http://www.tomatogrowers.com/RST-04-...ductinfo/2812/
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This is where I get mine. Since the seed seem to be good for at least two years I go ahead and buy more than needed for one season in order to get a better price.

http://www.neseed.com/Tomato-Rootsto...-T-p/34002.htm

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https://earthbox.com/earthbox-system...rdening-system

Here's TGS rootstock seeds, 20 for $9, resistant to bacterial wilt, 3 races fusarium, and nematodes.
http://www.tomatogrowers.com/RST-04-...ductinfo/2812/
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This is where I get mine. Since the seed seem to be good for at least two years I go ahead and buy more than needed for one season in order to get a better price.

http://www.neseed.com/Tomato-Rootsto...-T-p/34002.htm

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Marsha, that is a lot cheaper than at Amazon. Thank you.

I had already looked up RST-04-106-T Rootstock at Tomato Growers. It was the first place I thought of. Worth sent me a lot of seeds from 2007 Tomato Growers and I've had a very high germination rate of true varieties.

I am going to cite it http://www.tomatogrowers.com/RST-04-...ductinfo/2812/ It says - "RST-04-106-T Hybrid Rootstock #2812 (20 seeds) This rootstock was developed for growers who face a wide variety of soil diseases. Along with strong resistance to bacterial wilt, this rootstock is also resistant to Tobacco Mosaic Virus, three races of Fusarium wilt, corky root rot, and nematodes."

Bill, I looked up http://www.neseed.com/Tomato-Rootsto...-T-p/34002.htm It is cheaper to buy more quantity. It says - "This is a strong rootstock variety with thick stalks and vigorous growth. It improves the vegetative growth of the scion variety. It is suitable for soil production systems. It is resistant to ToMV, FOR Races 0 and 1, FW Races 0,1 and 2 and BW."

ToMV is Tomato Mosaic Virus. FW is Fusarium Wilt. BW is Bacterial Wilt.

I had to look up Bacterial Wilt http://tomatodiseasehelp.com/treat-bacterial-wilt I did see tomato plants looking like that in 2015 when it rained 73+". Our average yearly rainfall is around 38". I didn't see leaves looking like that in 2016 or this year so far.

I just noticed neither of you are here as I'm typing this edit/add on. The plant that started wilting yesterday has no yellowing. The other thing is if there is Bacterial Wilt happening, I have done the stems in a clear jar of water test twice with three different plants and there is nothing milky looking showing.

The varieties of tomatoes that I want to grow grafted are Rebel Yell, Porter, Sweetie cherry, and a few other pink when ripe tomatoes.
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Marsha, that is a lot cheaper than at Amazon. Thank you.

I had already looked up RST-04-106-T Rootstock at Tomato Growers. It was the first place I thought of. Worth sent me a lot of seeds from 2007 Tomato Growers and I've had a very high germination rate of true varieties.

I am going to cite it http://www.tomatogrowers.com/RST-04-...ductinfo/2812/ It says - "RST-04-106-T Hybrid Rootstock #2812 (20 seeds) This rootstock was developed for growers who face a wide variety of soil diseases. Along with strong resistance to bacterial wilt, this rootstock is also resistant to Tobacco Mosaic Virus, three races of Fusarium wilt, corky root rot, and nematodes."

Bill, I looked up http://www.neseed.com/Tomato-Rootsto...-T-p/34002.htm It is cheaper to buy more quantity. It says - "This is a strong rootstock variety with thick stalks and vigorous growth. It improves the vegetative growth of the scion variety. It is suitable for soil production systems. It is resistant to ToMV, FOR Races 0 and 1, FW Races 0,1 and 2 and BW."

ToMV is Tomato Mosaic Virus. FW is Fusarium Wilt. BW is Bacterial Wilt.

I had to look up Bacterial Wilt http://tomatodiseasehelp.com/treat-bacterial-wilt I did see tomato plants looking like that in 2015 when it rained 73+". Our average yearly rainfall is around 38". I didn't see leaves looking like that in 2016 or this year so far.

I just noticed neither of you are here as I'm typing this edit/add on. The plant that started wilting yesterday has no yellowing. The other thing is if there is Bacterial Wilt happening, I have done the stems in a clear jar of water test twice with three different plants and there is nothing milky looking showing.

The varieties of tomatoes that I want to grow grafted are Rebel Yell, Porter, Sweetie cherry, and a few other pink when ripe tomatoes.
Rebel Yell does good with the RST-04-106-T root stock for me. Some others that do great are Limbaugh's Legacy, Brandywine Cowlick's and Sudduth's, Royal Hillbilly, Henderson's Winsall, Giant Belgium, Spudakee, Indian Stripe PL and RL, Donskoi, Pruden's Purple, Aunt Ginnies Purple, Red Barn, Neves Azorean Red, 1884, Couilles de Taureau, German Johnson PL, Stump of the World, Dester, Granny Cantrell and Kentucky Wonder to name a few.

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Bill, I will research those varieties.

Here's another question: Is this Bacterial Wilt?
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It looks like fusarium to me, but that is just a guess.

For the first time ever, I carried a bucket with some bleach water in it today, to soak my scissors in between plants when pruning. It's ridiculous.
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I use Lysol wipes.Much easier. They kill 99.9%.
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That looks like fusarium wilt.

Bacterial Wilt will hit a perfectly healthy looking plant and all of a sudden it just wilts without yellowing. It usually occurs in hot weather after a good bit of rain. Watering the plant won't help at all. It seems to be more common when plants are loaded with green fruits so it may be that carrying the heavy fruit load makes it more susceptible to Bacterial Wilt. I just don't know but I do know it predominantly takes down large healthy plants when they are looking their best. It is a real shock because it happens so fast with little or no warning. You might see a slight wilting one day and think a plant may need a bit of watering and the next day it might be totally wilted and limp. I have never seen a plant recover from it. I have seen plants hang on for a long time with fusarium wilt before eventually dying. Usually with fusarium wilt the bigger and healthier a plant is when it shows the first symptoms the longer it will survive.

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It's been a rough year for disease here too. When I pruned yesterday, I was able to snap most of the suckers off. When I needed clippers, I would alternate between two sets and soaked them in bleach water in between. (The cheap pair rusted pretty quick! They are now sanded down and well oiled.)

BW claimed two healthy plants (just like Bill described - healthy to wilt to horrible in two days); TSWV three others (2 of them grafted). I've never had TSWV here before this year. Next season I'll bring back marigolds and try out the yellow sticky cards.

On the good side - I love lean and lower and am getting good fruit set. Since I plant a few (dozen!) extra plants, I can absorb some loss. I'm also planning on a fall planting for the first time.
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Okay, that is actually good news. What I wrote about

"I had to look up Bacterial Wilt http://tomatodiseasehelp.com/treat-bacterial-wilt I did see tomato plants looking like that in 2015 when it rained 73+". Our average yearly rainfall is around 38". I didn't see leaves looking like that in 2016 or this year so far."

The leaves looked like the ones on post #54. I'm glad to find out it is not BW.

I removed the 5th plant today. All are in that raised bed. Then it started raining again for the third day in-a-row.
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Can the F wilt be passed on through the seeds?

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