2,4,D

Sodak · June 2, 2015

I think a windy day caused some of my babies to get this curse.
A slight dosing for most of the affected plants. They looked very healthy yesterday AM and the poison was applied a ways away but they look curled and weak today.
Is there any antidote or treatment?

AlittleSalt · June 2, 2015

Sodak, I don't have an answer, but is SD South Dakota?

How much rain have you been having lately? My garden is very wet due to May being the wettest May on record here. It has been mostly sunny and dry for the past 2.5 days and during the heat of the day - the plants look kind of wilted. There is just too much water in our soil right now.

I hope this helps or sparks an idea for you.

hank · June 2, 2015

From my experience, they can often grow out of it, but sometimes not. I replant when the effect is early in the season. Keep us posted and pictures would help. Hank

Sodak · June 3, 2015

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Originally Posted by AlittleSalt

Sodak, I don't have an answer, but is SD South Dakota?

How much rain have you been having lately? My garden is very wet due to May being the wettest May on record here. It has been mostly sunny and dry for the past 2.5 days and during the heat of the day - the plants look kind of wilted. There is just too much water in our soil right now.

I hope this helps or sparks an idea for you.

SD is South Dakota. Actually live in a suburb of Sioux City, IA.
North SC is in SD and South SC is in Nebraska.
Moderate rain here, but our clay soil retains moisture like crazy. Only 6 plants in that ground, 12 in raised beds and 15 in SmartPots.
A rainy morning, but will try to get pictures later.

PaulF · June 3, 2015

Our local power company, without the knowledge or permission from our village, sprayed 2-4-D under all the power lines as an experiment to see if they could kill all the little trees that sprout. They killed lots of things besides the tree seedlings, like flowers, shrubs, raspberries fruit trees, etc. At least my garden was far enough away that no effect. The people effected raised holy #&!! as they should have. The village govt will make official reprimands and expect restitution if possible.

4season · June 3, 2015

I don't have any answer about 24D damage, but I have another potential source to worry about. Never thought about it until one day I saw a train slowly going down the track spraying the right of way. I had never thought about why the tracksides are weed free. The railroad most likely doesn't think about wind drift.

Worth1 · June 3, 2015

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Originally Posted by PaulF

Our local power company, without the knowledge or permission from our village, sprayed 2-4-D under all the power lines as an experiment to see if they could kill all the little trees that sprout. They killed lots of things besides the tree seedlings, like flowers, shrubs, raspberries fruit trees, etc. At least my garden was far enough away that no effect. The people effected raised holy #&!! as they should have. The village govt will make official reprimands and expect restitution if possible.

Why dont more people use goats instead of this garbage?

They came through my area with a huge gobble it up machine to do the job.

Worth

Sodak · June 3, 2015

photos

It appears Red Barn, Estler's Mortgage Lifter and Stump of the World were the most susceptible. The curly Q look is reminiscent of dandelions after 2,4 D.
Dick

Sodak · June 3, 2015

bought Mortgage Lifter (2), Rutgers select, Big Beef, Cherokee Purple and Mr. Stripey to replace the 6 worst.

MrsTwigg · June 3, 2015

Sodak, I'm so sorry to see this. Hopefully your new plants will grow well and you can put this episode behind you.

I think it's just insane how many of us are having to worry about herbicide damage (whether from wind drift, contaminated straw and manure, or other causes) in our gardens. If it were up to me, I'd see 2,4-D be reformulated as a thick neon-orange foam so that the yahoos dousing down their lawns with this stuff can see EXACTLY where they've applied it. Other benefit: no wind drift, and an appropriately toxic looking visual warning to those in the vicinity that a poison has been applied.

Stvrob · June 3, 2015

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Originally Posted by PaulF

Our local power company, without the knowledge or permission from our village, sprayed 2-4-D under all the power lines as an experiment to see if they could kill all the little trees that sprout. They killed lots of things besides the tree seedlings, like flowers, shrubs, raspberries fruit trees, etc. At least my garden was far enough away that no effect. The people effected raised holy #&!! as they should have. The village govt will make official reprimands and expect restitution if possible.

Most power company easements specifically allow for the use of herbicides, as long as the work is done in accordance with EPA regulations and in accordance with the labeling. IE, they dont require permission from local govt. Some power companies only use a licensed professional for application.

They are not responsible for fruit trees, flowers, shrubs, or raspberries growing within the easement. If they damaged things outside their easement that is a different story.

PaulF · June 4, 2015

Our particular easement does not specifically allow for herbicide use, only for the power company to have the right to access. This was an "experiment" to see if the chemical would work according to the superintendent. It did work and a lot of people who picked those wild berries are out of luck for several years now. Our little village is a throw-back to a bygone era where many have harvested wild fruit: raspberries, blackberries, wild plums, grapes, peaches, etc. from the edges of the roads and ditches. Then the "big city" boys (not certified or licensed, just workers) come in and spray. Not cool.

Worth1 · June 4, 2015

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Originally Posted by PaulF

Our particular easement does not specifically allow for herbicide use, only for the power company to have the right to access. This was an "experiment" to see if the chemical would work according to the superintendent. It did work and a lot of people who picked those wild berries are out of luck for several years now. Our little village is a throw-back to a bygone era where many have harvested wild fruit: raspberries, blackberries, wild plums, grapes, peaches, etc. from the edges of the roads and ditches. Then the "big city" boys (not certified or licensed, just workers) come in and spray. Not cool.

That sucks.

Worth

June 2, 2015	#1
Sodak Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: 5a SD Posts: 253	2,4,D I think a windy day caused some of my babies to get this curse. A slight dosing for most of the affected plants. They looked very healthy yesterday AM and the poison was applied a ways away but they look curled and weak today. Is there any antidote or treatment? __________________ Fight the good fight, finish the course and keep the faith

June 3, 2015	#5
PaulF Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brownville, Ne Posts: 3,289	Our local power company, without the knowledge or permission from our village, sprayed 2-4-D under all the power lines as an experiment to see if they could kill all the little trees that sprout. They killed lots of things besides the tree seedlings, like flowers, shrubs, raspberries fruit trees, etc. At least my garden was far enough away that no effect. The people effected raised holy #&!! as they should have. The village govt will make official reprimands and expect restitution if possible. __________________ there's two things money can't buy; true love and home grown tomatoes.

June 3, 2015	#9
Sodak Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: 5a SD Posts: 253	bought Mortgage Lifter (2), Rutgers select, Big Beef, Cherokee Purple and Mr. Stripey to replace the 6 worst. __________________ Fight the good fight, finish the course and keep the faith

June 4, 2015	#12
PaulF Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brownville, Ne Posts: 3,289	Our particular easement does not specifically allow for herbicide use, only for the power company to have the right to access. This was an "experiment" to see if the chemical would work according to the superintendent. It did work and a lot of people who picked those wild berries are out of luck for several years now. Our little village is a throw-back to a bygone era where many have harvested wild fruit: raspberries, blackberries, wild plums, grapes, peaches, etc. from the edges of the roads and ditches. Then the "big city" boys (not certified or licensed, just workers) come in and spray. Not cool. __________________ there's two things money can't buy; true love and home grown tomatoes.

June 2, 2015	#2
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	Sodak, I don't have an answer, but is SD South Dakota? How much rain have you been having lately? My garden is very wet due to May being the wettest May on record here. It has been mostly sunny and dry for the past 2.5 days and during the heat of the day - the plants look kind of wilted. There is just too much water in our soil right now. I hope this helps or sparks an idea for you.

June 2, 2015	#3
hank Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: winchester va usa Posts: 106	From my experience, they can often grow out of it, but sometimes not. I replant when the effect is early in the season. Keep us posted and pictures would help. Hank

June 3, 2015	#6
4season Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: albuquerque Posts: 308	I don't have any answer about 24D damage, but I have another potential source to worry about. Never thought about it until one day I saw a train slowly going down the track spraying the right of way. I had never thought about why the tracksides are weed free. The railroad most likely doesn't think about wind drift.

June 3, 2015	#10
MrsTwigg Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Maryland Posts: 47	Sodak, I'm so sorry to see this. Hopefully your new plants will grow well and you can put this episode behind you. I think it's just insane how many of us are having to worry about herbicide damage (whether from wind drift, contaminated straw and manure, or other causes) in our gardens. If it were up to me, I'd see 2,4-D be reformulated as a thick neon-orange foam so that the yahoos dousing down their lawns with this stuff can see EXACTLY where they've applied it. Other benefit: no wind drift, and an appropriately toxic looking visual warning to those in the vicinity that a poison has been applied.